I cannot apologise for fighting against apartheid': Robert McBride defends Durban bombing

[rambo919]

Seems you're the one contradicting lol....

Look brother, not saying anyone has any right to be barbaric today. Fact is the legacy of what happened then has played a direct part in the barbaric behaviour and ridiculous crime rate.

again I say....do you understand why white folk aren't doing all this? Never had any reason to previously. All they've known in life or at least most of it is to live civilized lives...all the rest know is survival. Such things become a culture in many ways.

Imagine back then everyone had it the same way? Opportunities etc....Think the barbarians you speak of would still have been that?

There is never any good reason to be a barbarian, there are reasons yes but no good one's.

 

[HunterNW]

Imagine back then everyone had it the same way? Opportunities etc....Think the barbarians you speak of would still have been that?

Yes. Comes from waaaaay back when Oom Jan landed here. It's culture.

 

[Mar Vin]

That's to others, the strugglers did it to their own people.

What is it that you don't get????

Bra this thread is not even about same race violence....its about a non white who committed acts against whites. Where did you derail yourself?

Harping on what "strugglers" do/did to themselves....this is not even what the thread is about. Mcbride did not bomb his ppl.....omg

 

[rietrot]

Put another way, deception is not limited to outright lying.

Some of the best lies are 90% or more truth.

Were you there at the time?

 

[rambo919]

Don't worry, all of us who voted in that referendum knew exactly what we voted for and for years afterwards the Yes and No voters kept on insulting each other.

Nope, many of the conservative yes voters thought they were voting for power-sharing. They were actually sometimes told off the record that was what they were voting for and to trust their leaders.... then their leaders abandoned them.

 

[Stonemason]

The atrocities done by the ANC were not done to the ANC by the ANC. Get it? Not the same thing.

Is it surprising that almost or all countries colonialized have ghettos only or mostly occupied by non whites? Coincidence?

I can show you many countries in Europe who have ghettos occupied by non Whites but I can also show ghettos in other countries occupied by Whites. I see what you are aiming at but your statement is too wide.

 

[Mar Vin]

There is never any good reason to be a barbarian, there are reasons yes but no good one's.

Fighting apartheid went from peaceful to barbaric.....Good reason id say.

 

[rambo919]

Were you there at the time?

Again

Anecdotal evidence is often insufficient because it does not allow for the complete picture, simply being there at the time means nothing in itself.

Differently put whether I was there or not at the time does not mean anything.

 

[Stonemason]

Nope, many of the conservative yes voters thought they were voting for power-sharing. They were actually sometimes told off the record that was what they were voting for and to trust their leaders.... then their leaders abandoned them.

Wrong again. Everybody knew exactly what they were voting for. The only promise that was never fulfilled was the promise that there would be adequate checks and balances to protect minority rights.

 

[rietrot]

Nope, many of the conservative yes voters thought they were voting for power-sharing. They were actually sometimes told off the record that was what they were voting for and to trust their leaders.... then their leaders abandoned them.

Lol that's what we got. Power is shared equally. 1 person 1 vote.

 

[rambo919]

Harping on what "strugglers" do/did to themselves....this is not even what the thread is about. Mcbride did not bomb his ppl.....omg

That's not what I said, I talked about what the struglers did to civilians that tried to stay neutral or family members of blacks that worked for the government.

 

[Mar Vin]

Yes. Comes from waaaaay back when Oom Jan landed here. It's culture.

Nope....in fact before Jan the booty lover landed here the inhabitants of this land was absolutely fine with how things were. They had violence the same way British clans had violence.
In Fact the original barbarians were white....Very violent too.

Violence was never non existent in any culture or race. However it was intertribal before jan and Columbus and whoever else discovered already discovered land appeared.

 

[rambo919]

Wrong again. Everybody knew exactly what they were voting for. The only promise that was never fulfilled was the promise that there would be adequate checks and balances to protect minority rights.

Then why call it the apartheid referendum when the decision to end apartheid had actually already been made and the only thing that was actually being voted on was the then current negotiations?

 

[Mar Vin]

I can show you many countries in Europe who have ghettos occupied by non Whites but I can also show ghettos in other countries occupied by Whites. I see what you are aiming at but your statement is too wide.

You know the ratio is incomparable....systematic. Clearly.

 

[Cray]

Again

Anecdotal evidence is often insufficient because it does not allow for the complete picture, simply being there at the time means nothing in itself.

Differently put whether I was there or not at the time does not mean anything.

So what makes you qualified as the arbiter of what the "complete picture" is? To be honest it looks like you are simply disregarding any evidence that conflicts with the version of reality you have put together in your mind...

 

[rietrot]

I can agree. But it was utterly stupid to let the ANC govern SA. Anyone with half a brain could have foreseen what kak that will cause.

There isn't really another option within a democratic framework. Everyone knew, but it was still the right thing to do.

 

[rietrot]

Then why call it the apartheid referendum when the decision to end apartheid had actually already been made and the only thing that was actually being voted on was the then current negotiations?

People could vote to not continue negotiations which mend a continuation of apartheid.

Pretty simple really and it wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[Mar Vin]

That's not what I said, I talked about what the struglers did to civilians that tried to stay neutral or family members of blacks that worked for the government.

Man many things mankind has today came at a cost. You think every Young Boer Man was interested in waging war against the british? Probably preferred to stay neutral maar Oom Piet Van Der Bols wouldn't not have a coward for a son and sent him packing?

 

[rambo919]

People could vote to not continue negotiations which meant a continuation of apartheid.

Only temporarily. The negotiations could have been broken off till a time when the strugglers would have been more open to honest conversation instead of just demands. But of course almost no one in the public back then was educated enough in real politics to understand how communists "negotiate".

 

[Tokolotshe]

Not in this case, they were murdered by Craig Williamson who worked for the security police and got amnesty at the TRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Williamson

No.

Even then farmers were legit targets. Also don't be fooled by "hit back at white farmers who collaborated with the apartheid security forces." The reality was a bit different. I grew up on a farm. The nats were not exactly flavour of the month in out area. Yet still I ended up on the back of a bakkie with a spotlight and a R1 guarding our farm, people on the farm, even before I even left school ...

Just a small taste of reality. Don't believe the re-written history.

Landmine victims forgive ANC bombers

Maimed victims and the children of civilians killed by landmines planted by African National Congress cadres in the 1980s have told a Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearing that they forgive the bombers.

www.iol.co.za