I cannot apologise for fighting against apartheid': Robert McBride defends Durban bombing

[Stonemason]

Not sure what you were expecting really, surely giving all races the vote means that the most popular party would win the right to control the government? Or were you hoping for cosmetic changes with no real change to who ran the country?

I think there was some hope amongst minorities that their rights would have been protected better in the new constitution. In some ways this realised in the wording of the constitution but unfortunately both the government and the Constitutional Court chooses to ignore clauses which they do not entirely agree with.

 

[Cray]

I think there was some hope amongst minorities that their rights would have been protected better in the new constitution. In some ways this realised in the wording of the constitution but unfortunately both the government and the Constitutional Court chooses to ignore clauses which they do not entirely agree with.

Ah, okay- thanks.

 

[rambo919]

Not sure what you were expecting really, surely giving all races the vote means that the most popular party would win the right to control the government? Or were you hoping for cosmetic changes with no real change to who ran the country?

Pure democracy has never and will never work in Africa. Any kind of blind faith in Democracy is something or religion not logic.

A democratic republic with group-voting as apposed to popular voting or another kind of arrangement with veto-power or anything else really would have been much saner.

 

[Rouxenator]

McBride is such a poeshead

He should get another Lumina, get drunk, go wrap it round a tree and die this time. Get rekt you terrorist turd.

 

[rambo919]

It started out honestly enough but FW de Klerk under-estimated the ANC and left everything to Roelf Meyer - a relative light-weight at the time. Ramaphosa ran circles around Meyer and that caused all the checks and balances to disappear.

Or Roelfie actually fooled Rhampie into thinking he was an idiot.

The idea was to give the ANC total control and lots of rope to hang themselves with, in the process discrediting black rule in general. Because whites could theoretically keep economic control they could then swoop in and save SA from black rule again. Yes they both over-estimated themselves and underestimated their opponents.

This is why the ANC has been obsessed with taking all economic power from whites.

 

[SAguy]

In some ways the apartheid government and ANC can be likened to the Nazi's and the Soviet Army during WW2, Nazi's being the apartheid government and Soviet Army being the ANC.

Nazi's had to be overthrown, and the Soviet's were instrumental in doing so. However many of the Soviet's didn't care about rules of engagement and Nazi supporting women were literally raped by dozens of Soviet soldiers at a time.

Did the Soviet's do the world a favour by being instrumental in overthrowing the Nazi's, yes. Did they commit war crimes in doing so, yes.

Did the ANC do SA a favour by being instrumental in overthrowing the apartheid government, yes. Did they commit "war" crimes in doing so, I believe so yes, but who decides what is considered a war crime and what isn't in the SA context?

 

[Mar Vin]

Nonsense, it was not forced on them by outsiders they chose it.


Why not, because it destroys your shakey victim based narrative? You actually think opinions and economic exclusion hurt more than necklaces and rape?

It was systematically planned for non whites to wipe each other out. To be their own worst enemy. Go read up on the plans of the regime at that time.

So yes it was systematic. Had everyone been afforded the same opportunities and not be forced to scavenge then there would not have been so many non whites preying on each other.

My point exactly...necklaces and rape.....one practiced when the ships landed and the other during apartheid. Or are you under the impression that there had been no such during apartheid?

Oh, also you wouldn't know or understand the effects of exclusions with such severity. Remember you had it good? stop being a g@t by disregarding what your oupa helped inflict boet.

Yes non white communities are messed up. Try learning more about how and why this became, and why your communities aren't dealing with such.

 

[rambo919]

In some ways the apartheid government and ANC can be likened to the Nazi's and the Soviet Army during WW2, Nazi's being the apartheid government and Soviet Army being the ANC.

In the end when you pick another devil you still pick a devil.

 

[rambo919]

It was systematically planned for non whites to wipe each other out. To be their own worst enemy. Go read up on the plans of the regime at that time.

So yes it was systematic. Had everyone been afforded the same opportunities and not be forced to scavenge then there would not have been so many non whites preying on each other.

My point exactly...necklaces and rape.....one practiced when the ships landed and the other during apartheid. Or are you under the impression that there had been no such during apartheid?

Oh, also you wouldn't know or understand the effects of exclusions with such severity. Remember you had it good? stop being a g@t by disregarding what your oupa helped inflict boet.

Yes non white communities are messed up. Try learning more about how and why this became, and why your communities aren't dealing with such.

You are constantly contradicting yourself there, so the NP manipulated the ANC into committing atrocities? What?

 

[Stonemason]

Or Roelfie actually fooled Rhampie into thinking he was an idiot.

The idea was to give the ANC total control and lots of rope to hang themselves with, in the process discrediting black rule in general. Because whites could theoretically keep economic control they could then swoop in and save SA from black rule again. Yes they both over-estimated themselves and underestimated their opponents.

This is why the ANC has been obsessed with taking all economic power from whites.

I am sorry. I do not know out of what history book you were taught but this conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as the one about the moon landing. It is simply not true

 

[Cray]

You are constantly contradicting yourself there, so the NP manipulated the ANC into committing atrocities? What?

And the NP funding/training of Inkatha hit squads, no provocation there at all?

 

[rambo919]

And the NP funding/training of Inkatha hit squads, no provocation there at all?

I'm not saying there was no provocation or corruption missions, I'm saying it's ridiculous to blame so many people choosing to be barbarians on other people manipulating them into being so. Were they children or grown ups?

Depending on who you believe the intelligence services were completely morally corrupt and had actually compromised all opposition leaders in some way.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Robert McBride is nothing else but a terrorist, a murderer and a criminal. So is everyone else in the ANC who condoned these attacks on innocent civilians. There is no need to kill innocent women, children and men who are not involved in this fight. There was no justification back then and no justification today. If they really had an issue with the government, they were the ones to attack and not innocent people.

And then you get leaders today saying countries like Britain treat them like terrorists with Visa restrictions. The problem is, looking at what the ANC did, they actually are terrorists and nothing else.

 

[rambo919]

I am sorry. I do not know out of what history book you were taught but this conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as the one about the moon landing. It is simply not true

Why the assumption that I was "taught" anything and did not do my own research?

Perhaps you should reflect on what you were "taught".

 

[Cray]

I'm not saying there was no provocation or corruption missions, I'm saying it's ridiculous to blame so many people choosing to be barbarians on other people manipulating them into being so. Were they children or grown ups?

True enough, but war and atrocity desensitize people to certain types of vile actions, when your enemy routinely commits atrocities, people are more likely to consider them deserving of the same kind of treatment...

Have a look at the way POW's where treated by both sides on the Western front during WW2 compared to what happened on the Eastern front...

 

[Stonemason]

Why the assumption that I was "taught" anything and did not do my own research?

Perhaps you should reflect on what you were "taught".

I was not taught. I lived it and wrote countless newspaper articles about it.

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taught
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1. past and past participle of teach.)

 

[SAguy]

Robert McBride is nothing else but a terrorist, a murderer and a criminal. So is everyone else in the ANC who condoned these attacks on innocent civilians. There is no need to kill innocent women, children and men who are not involved in this fight. There was no justification back then and no justification today. If they really had an issue with the government, they were the ones to attack and not innocent people.

And then you get leaders today saying countries like Britain treat them like terrorists with Visa restrictions. The problem is, looking at what the ANC did, they actually are terrorists and nothing else.

Not justifying McBride or the actions of the ANC or MP, but this is unfortunately the nature of war - Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Those responsible have never had to answer for this.

Can the ANC/NP situation be called a war though?

 

[rambo919]

True enough, but war and atrocity desensitize people to certain types of vile actions, when your enemy routinely commits atrocities, people are more likely to consider them deserving of the same kind of treatment...

Have a look at the way POW's where treated by both sides on the Western front during WW2 compared to what happened on the Eastern front...

That's to others, the strugglers did it to their own people.

 

[Stonemason]

Can the ANC/NP situation be called a war though?

It was a war. A low intensity war but it was definitely a war.

 

[rambo919]

Not justifying McBride or the actions of the ANC or MP, but this is unfortunately the nature of war - Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Those responsible have never had to answer for this.

Can the ANC/NP situation be called a war though?

Considering that the ANC at one point literally declared war on Apartheid...... yes. It was war and it's ending negotiations should have been treated as such.