I Know Someone Heavily and Consistently Evading Tax

Mista_Mobsta

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Nah, lifestyle audit is the beginning. Can't explain how you got 'x' well then you can choose 1) Criminal Gains 2) Tax evasion. SARS still will nail you with the right motivation.
I sincerely wish SARS would do these lifestyle audits on every single high level public official and family members. We may see quite a few people struggling to explain the new car/house/rings/furniture etc...
 

nazmo

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tax evasion is wrong. irrespective of whatever "logical" arguments are made. The only person that would defend tax evasion is most likely doing something similar and has already convinced him/herself that its OK.
 

Deadmanza

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exactly. well said. its like these idiots who hog the highway right hand lane going 120km/h and refuse to move over because they are suddenly law enforcers. mind your own business, and dont get involved.
**** off.
Its cunts like you that think they are speed racer in their shitty golf gti that cause accidents, because at the end of the day you have **** all driving skills.
 

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tax evasion is wrong. irrespective of whatever "logical" arguments are made. The only person that would defend tax evasion is most likely doing something similar and has already convinced him/herself that its OK.
Tax evasion is illegal which is the only reason 99% of people comply. They don't want to be jailed or fined. There is no moral basis to tax individuals who receive no political representation and get zero benefit from government. You could possibly argue that there should be some altruistic motive to fund less productive people who cannot (or won't) support themselves, but this fails the moral test when you make that compulsory.
 

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exactly. well said. its like these idiots who hog the highway right hand lane going 120km/h and refuse to move over because they are suddenly law enforcers. mind your own business, and dont get involved.
Lol, I normally move over. Unless it's some idiot doing 180 who's caught up to me on my ass and is flashing the kak out of me within 2 seconds of catching up. Then I turn the radio up and take another sip of coffee from my ignorance-is-bliss mug.

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I've got to say. This has been the most entertaining thread I've read in a while.

I don't understand how this is even a debate. Imagine if everyone did not pay tax.

Whether or not the government is using the funds 100% correctly is a completely separate discussion.
 

Charly

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Tax evasion is illegal which is the only reason 99% of people comply. They don't want to be jailed or fined. There is no moral basis to tax individuals who receive no political representation and get zero benefit from government. You could possibly argue that there should be some altruistic motive to fund less productive people who cannot (or won't) support themselves, but this fails the moral test when you make that compulsory.
They pay tax because it means the government (however bad they are) gives them a platform (society) to make money and be successful - tax which the government then uses to maintain that platform and their source of income.
 

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They pay tax because it means the government (however bad they are) gives them a platform (society) to make money and be successful - tax which the government then uses to maintain that platform and their source of income.
They can do all that without income taxes. It’s a little known fact that income tax is a relatively recent invention. Prior to the 20th century governments funded themselves on customs and excise and various license fees, tolls, etc. Income and other revenue taxes were originally dreamed up for one reason only - to fund war.
 
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The state and useless poor people are the burden. This guy is smart enough to not contribute to the real burden, that doesn't make him the burden. The burden remains the state and useless poor people.

He still pay taxes for all the services that he actually use. Property tax, feul levy, VAT. Utilities, he contributes more than his fair share.
It's made a note of your ip address and flagged you for audit
I am a salaried person, you understand the rest. But if they do come I can surely point my finger in the right direction for them.
 

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Each room has one tenant but never more than two. Two-thirds of the rooms have one tenant. Each room is required to pay R200.00 for water each month and again you don't get a receipt. As far as I know, water is free to a certain point in this country. Upon researching on gumtree landlords charge tenants R75.00 for water every month for a room. Some don't even charge water most likely because it's free or very cheap.
 

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Wow, stop being jealous of other people's success. It is unhealthy.

Do you realise who our tax money goes to. It goes to corruption.
You are a contradiction of terms - always involving yourself in the religious threads with a holier than thou attitude yet lack the foresight to see the wrong in tax evasion and exploitation of workers. Says a whole lot about your character and just trivializes your posts on how enlightened you are.

Religious people are usually the most immoral. Cite doctrine when it pleases them yet quick and easy to skirt the laws of their faiths.

Report the criminal to SARS OP - everybody asks what would jesus do - that's what jesus would do in this case.

PS: @rietrot - you need to brush up on taxation and it's purpose. Stop being a dumbass, it's unhealthy.
 
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Daruk

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He/She runs a business and getting +/- R50 000 a week. There is no proof since customers don't get a receipt and he never issues one even if you insist.

I don't want to go into the specifics because he might be alarmed.

I need to report him to SARS because:

1. What he/she is doing is a crime
2. Sometimes it's difficult to prove to him/her that you paid because there is no receipt
3. Not a nice person (pays his/her two security guards R2 500 per month after working 12 hours a day/night six days a week, to accommodate a day off there is a day they work 24 hrs)

How do I report him to sars, follow up on progress and still remain anonymous?

This is a slam dunk case for the Specialised Commercial Crimes Court.
https://www.sars.gov.za/TargTaxCrime/ReportCrime/Pages/default.aspx
 

The Trutherizer

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There aren't proper roads in many areas as it is, and in many other areas they're deteriorating rapidly. And anyone who uses the roads pays the fuel levy and tolls for this anyway (at least that was the theory until they started dipping into that money as well).

I pay directly for private security and contribute to the neighbourhood watch. When there is an issue I call them, not the SAPS. SAPS does not even keep public order any more, and will merely observe while property is destroyed. They may as well not exist. It is already the Wild West.

For many people this is already the reality, just not everywhere since the nice suburbs have electricity and water that's paid for directly not from income tax.
Then go look at countries without these things. It's all good and well to speculate from a position of strength, but when the foundation is not there things look very different.
 

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From what I recall - SARS offers a reward. Do the right thing and be rewarded in this life while you still draw breath - and then be rewarded in your afterlife if that's what you subscribe to :ROFL:
Yeah, let that be a lesson to anyone breaking the law - I've heard stories of SARS agents arriving at private residences for an audit then asking the owner what's in the safe behind the picture on the wall lol. Someone scored for that bit of info.
 

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You are a contradiction of terms - always involving yourself in the religious threads with a holier than thou attitude yet lack the foresight to see the wrong in tax evasion and exploitation of workers. Says a whole lot about your character and just trivializes your posts on how enlightened you are.

Religious people are usually the most immoral. Cite doctrine when it pleases them yet quick and easy to skirt the laws of their faiths.

Report the criminal to SARS OP - everybody asks what would jesus do - that's what jesus would do in this case.
Quite sad when people take issues across threads. You don't have a argument in the PD section and you don't have one here. So how did you think combining the two into some sort of personal attack would work?
 

Daruk

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They can do all that without income taxes. It’s a little known fact that income tax is a relatively recent invention. Prior to the 20th century governments funded themselves on customs and excise and various license fees, tolls, etc. Income and other revenue taxes were originally dreamed up for one reason only - to fund war.
Dubai do this - you pay almost 30% more for anything there.
 

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Quite sad when people take issues across threads. You don't have a argument in the PD section and you don't have one here. So how did you think combining the two into some sort of personal attack would work?
Wasn't a personal attack. merely an observation.
You get called out for being a hypocrite so why should the OP of this thread or any thread take anything you say seriously.

You clearly need to find your god again. Your advise on most matters goes contrary to your apparent deep religious convictions buddy. I pity you. though, if I'm being honest ....I pity your progeny even more.
 

Daruk

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Tax evasion is illegal which is the only reason 99% of people comply. They don't want to be jailed or fined. There is no moral basis to tax individuals who receive no political representation and get zero benefit from government. You could possibly argue that there should be some altruistic motive to fund less productive people who cannot (or won't) support themselves, but this fails the moral test when you make that compulsory.
You do absolutely get benefit from government despite the rampant corruption. People who don't contribute ride off the rest of us.
 

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You do absolutely get benefit from government despite the rampant corruption. People who don't contribute ride off the rest of us.
Do you include the 16 million people who sit at home and collect grants paid by honest taxpayers in the group that rides off the rest of us?
 
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