'I want to improve the lives of the working class': Meet ANC's youngest elections candidate

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ForceFate

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So why did you say:
Because all of these enjoy the same stature when it comes to moral position. Colonial wars, religious wars, communism, ethnic wars of Europe, Africa and Asia, etc were all driven by greedy pests whose only mission was power.
 

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A bit too patently false.

False? Here's a reference for you. Now refute it with evidence that shows it's false:


Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.
 

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Because all of these enjoy the same stature when it comes to moral position. Colonial wars, religious wars, communism, ethnic wars of Europe, Africa and Asia, etc were all driven by greedy pests whose only mission was power.

So the amount killed don't matter at all?
 

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Because all of these enjoy the same stature when it comes to moral position. Colonial wars, religious wars, communism, ethnic wars of Europe, Africa and Asia, etc were all driven by greedy pests whose only mission was power.

Care to tell me about Shaka?
 

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False? Here's a reference for you. Now refute it with evidence that shows it's false:


Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Cassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces of the RSA caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks (The AWB was allied with the IFP (Zulu)), but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centres, landmines on farm roads, etc.
Does this account for deaths that were reported as suicide or natural causes, as well as those of people who were abducted and never seen again?
 

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Does this account for deaths that were reported as suicide or natural causes, as well as those of people who were abducted and never seen again?

Yes. Every single death:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

Want to explain the ANC black deaths to me? You know, by necklacing and street committees?
 

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Yes. Every single death:

Max Coleman’s authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.

Want to explain the ANC black deaths to me? You know, by necklacing and street committees?
Why ANC? Why must I explain atrocities committed by the ANC?
 

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Let me help you with some atrocity deaths in the 20th century:

Communism - About 100 million.
Nazism - About 6 million.
Pol Pot - About 2 million.
Rwanda - About 1 million.
Apartheid - About 22 000 - 21 000 being blacks killed by the ANC.

Which was the worst?
Hilarious statistics. Not one word about Capitalism.
 
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