iburst is faster than 1mbit adsl

slimothy

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Hello all,

Well I was looking forward to 1mbit adsl for some time, because I expected it would provide me with the speeds I have come to expect on iburst but give me better pings and allow me to get a package with a higher monthly bandwidth allocation (30GB). I got to test adsl 1mbit today and was considering getting it for a month or two to sit alongside my iburst connection... well I'm not anymore.

I was a but dissappointed to be honest, the fastest speed I got was 109KB/s off a download and it took time to build up to that speed, pages for local seemed to peak at 80KB/s and pages from international peaked at about 70KB/s, the time between typing a url in firefox and pressing enter and an actual page showing up was a bit alow, actually I thought thats one area the adsl would kill iburst, I expected it to be fast like iburst was before the cache proxy was installed, needless to say it wasnt. I made a simple php test, I had a php script that started a timer and stopped it once the first page data (not http headers) was recieved, I used the URL www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net and iburst was 1/3rd faster than 1mbit adsl, which MUST be due to the ADSL cache proxy because it has better latency so should have been faster. Ibursts final time was 0.8 seconds and 1mbit adsl was 1.2seconds

that might not seem like much but thats a basic test, and what it means is if you happen to multithread in firefox you will have a slower page draw with adsl 1mbit than iburst by about 3 seconds (thats assuming pipelining is set to true and that you have set it to use at least 4 threads)

Pings... ah the pings, they are better, i'll give adsl 1mbit that hands down, but its not better by much and not better enough for what I do. I pinged for 10 minutes on 2 connections, the adsl and the iburst connections. I got 0% loss on both and the average time for adsl was 40ms with a peak of 58ms and the fastest ping was 38ms, with iburst the average was 59ms with a peak of 100ms and the fastest being 55ms.

Its a good connection but I wouldn't call it 1mbit, not with the speeds i've become used to over the last 10 months on iburst, i was even able to download from my server at 132KB/s at 9AM this morning, but adsl never cleared 110KB/s,

So in the end 1mbit adsl is far from superior to iburst BUT you can get a bigger cap with it, which is fantastic if you arent one of the iburst users than seems to do more than 30GB a month anyway. Even if I was to take speed out of the equation there are a few MAJOR worrying factors about 1mbit telkom adsl, first of all ITS TELKOM, then theres the fact that they will hard cap in november, then the price rise in november, then the waiting period... my final verdict is if you have a stable, fast iburst connection barring any major policy changes at WBS iburst beats it hands down unless you're a gamer...

Oh and one thing that pissed me off is that adsl recconects every day, and did so while I was playing around with it... for me, when i think of broadband, staying connected for days/weeks at a tme kinda goes with the image, but maybe thats just me.
 
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slimothy

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thing is, i was actually a little biased against iburst before even starting the test, i would have thought it would have been beaten hands down... i guess telkom has work to do.

And seeing as how it took telkom 2 years before they even made a faster package available i'm not expecting 2mbit anytime soon
 

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Add in telkoms port shaping which crapyifies your skype, WoW and anything else not running on Gods own ports and the only thing adsl beats iburst is the 30gb cap.
 

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Interesting comparison Slim.

The one thing that I would point out is that for the average joe shmo ADSL is basically plug n' play ... connect router & if it holds sync you'll get your 110 KBs.

iBurst is a bit more of a plug & pray with some tata ma chance thrown in. If your lucky and your location is favourable, iBurst will fly, however most will have to hunt for the sweet spot to get anything close to 1 Mbs. And if your not so lucky you will need to get an external antenna for which you'll also have to find the sweet spot/direction.

Lots of fiddling for the un-sussed user. This will result in the average user's perception being that ADSL is faster (& probably more reliable/predictable).
 
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hmmmm well so far for me I've been using iburst since Januray before the cached proxy, etc... and I must say.

1. Iburst was flying like a whore except in the south
2. Iburst allowed me to play games like UT2k4 and Guild wars online with no problems at all.
3. Iburst != Teleskum
4. Teleskum's rumours with the pricing structure = HATE for them even more
5. With Iburst I can dl from Sli's site at ave 139kbps and nothing below 120kbps
which in essence I get capped within the day :(

I would assume that using a fixed copper line as in ADSL your connectivity should be better but Sli's statement makes me wonder why change? and wait 6 months for a adsl exchange to be installed...

oh on thing you also forgot to mention is Service from both companies... looks like they are head-in-head with the service with iburst showing some signs of improvement while teleskum service getting worse and worse!
 

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Slim
This is what I have been looking for. A direct, practical comparison between ADSL and iBurst.
From the way I understand your conclusion, for someone like me who just wants to remote into the office a few times a week, SKYPE, and general surfing and email - iBurst is the best answer for now?

Thanks
 

slimothy

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yes, i'd say so.
I do alot of that now and iburst is great for it. Like roman said though if you're in a bit of a bad area you will more than likely need to configure a thing or two to get it running at its peak, but thats nothing the users on this forum can't help you with.

iburst has more flexibility, is cheaper, faster and lastly and most importantly there are no major suprises coming in November (No telkom hardcap, no price rises etc).

adsl has better pings and more virtual ISPs

Because installation is so fast and simple you can get a reseller to come to you, for free and give it a bit of a test before you even decide to purchase or not.
 

Wino

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Good stuff.
Now I just need a cheaper UT - anyone?
Also - Shadley - I'll take your antenae - give me a shout please.

Cheers
(Relieved that telkom wont get my hard earned cash!)
 

Raithlin

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Shot, slimothy. That's a nice practical, factual review you've got there.

Ten thumbs up. :D
 

P0tenc

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Well said Slimothy. It's as I always said...the iBurst technology is sound. WBS...that's a different story.
 

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Here is what Iburst is like from the connection I'm using at the office (Cape Town):

Pinging saix.net [196.25.1.200] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=371ms TTL=244
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=432ms TTL=244
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=588ms TTL=244
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=790ms TTL=244

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 371ms, Maximum = 790ms, Average = 545ms

Telkom speed test:
Download time: 12.859 seconds
Size of file: 500 KiloBytes
Estimated line speed: 317.3 (kilobits/second)
Estimated line speed: 38.9 (kiloBytes/second)

Subjective rating: feels about as slow as dialup, downloads faster at least. Skype is completely unusable except for text chat.
 

imterro

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peter@Helvete:~$ ping 196.25.1.200
PING 196.25.1.200 (196.25.1.200) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=457 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=173 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=1491 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=1026 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=6 ttl=243 time=8829 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=7 ttl=243 time=7835 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=8 ttl=243 time=6840 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=9 ttl=243 time=5844 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=10 ttl=243 time=4849 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=11 ttl=243 time=3841 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=12 ttl=243 time=2848 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=13 ttl=243 time=1858 ms
64 bytes from 196.25.1.200: icmp_seq=14 ttl=243 time=869 ms


--- 196.25.1.200 ping statistics ---
14 packets transmitted, 14 received, 0% packet loss, time 14015ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 173.088/3357.022/8829.756/2887.326 ms, pipe 9

o yes i agree, o so very fast, got to love those pings(no i wasn't downloading anything)
 

P0tenc

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I do have full signal but im by no means close to the tower....atleast several km away.

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=75ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=168ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=277ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=236ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=243
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=204ms TTL=243

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 75ms, Maximum = 277ms, Average = 141ms

The spikes above 100ms im sure can be attributed to the distance from the tower. My point is your signal must be very poor imterro, in ideal conditions iBurst does indeed deliver.

Soz can't give speed test right now. Busy wiff other things. I can say that I do get 1mbps.
 

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Wino said:
Slim
This is what I have been looking for. A direct, practical comparison between ADSL and iBurst.
From the way I understand your conclusion, for someone like me who just wants to remote into the office a few times a week, SKYPE, and general surfing and email - iBurst is the best answer for now?

Thanks

This is my first post on here. I've been reading these forums for a few months before I got here (Cape Town from the United States) and it's been a brilliant resource.

Regarding Wino's post, I'd like to offer a fair warning. I've actually got both DSL and iBurst accounts right now.

The problem is coverage. iBurst SUCKS if you can't get a strong enough signal. How far are you from one of their antennas?

iBurst is MUCH faster than DSL if you're in Claremont, Newlands, Kenilworth, etc. But if you're anywhere in the lighter green areas (check their coverage maps), then you'll be lucky to get a signal, let alone a 40-50% signal.

At least DSL is consistent.

So think about it before you spend the $$$. Unless you're close to one of their antennas, you may find yourself getting frustrated at getting bad reception of and speeds of (at most) 64k.

Also, remember that they block port 25, which prevents you from sending email, unless you go through their servers. Utter stupidity.
 
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slimothy

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they only blocked traffic to smtp to stop iburst ip's ending up in spam lists, which im starting to think wasnt stupid if you go to the adsl forum and look at this thread

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=27050

DFantom said:
The whole ADSL user IP range (both 165.165 and 165.146) is blacklisted. Has been for months. The way to fix it is stop sending using the SMTP server on your machine and use smtp.saix.net as the SMTP server.

If you're in a bad area though (and the maps are no longer accurate to plot if you are) DON'T just plop the modem down and plug it in, take 30 minutes out and carefully find where its happy and if you still don't have a good or better signal you should just multithread everything and be happy with 80 - 90KB/s and 64kbit on non priority protocols
 

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So iBurst is improving then ?

That's the thing - you only really get an indication of a service when it's bad. When it works fine, there's less complaints but people not using that service are never sure it's got better.

Slim - I hope your doing the broadband tests, along with all the other iBurst users - there's plench ADSL users doing it, but I'm not sure how many iBurst, Sentech or Vodacom3g ?
 

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Just to add to the stats, (BTW: 10km from base station)

Pinging 196.25.1.200 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=93ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=99ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=91ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=93ms TTL=242
Reply from 196.25.1.200: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=242

Ping statistics for 196.25.1.200:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 89ms, Maximum = 99ms, Average = 92ms

Telkom Speed Test

* Download time: 3.635 seconds
* Size of file: 500 KiloBytes
* Estimated line speed: 1122.4 (kilobits/second)
* Estimated line speed: 137.6 (kiloBytes/second)

Iburst rocks when WBS is not messing it up!
 

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Ok great review slim BUT....Yes BUT,
Iburst doesn't work at that speed/pings for everyone ... sometimes regardless of how much effort you put in.

It is not always plug 'n play like 1mb ADSL either. Sometimes after extreme testing buying arials and other equipt you can get to your speeds and sometimes you just get them and sometimes you just don't. I am not refering to undercovered areas either.

So Iburst sometimes CAN LIKE TO BE BETTER than 1m ADSL thats all ;)
 
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