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ICASA publishes interconnection and facilities leasing draft regulations
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ShaunSA
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/looks around for dominic 
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Yup, and ICASA can't even get the size of the file right either.. *mutter*
eremos
Senior Member
Yay! Nice to see something happening at least.
The ADSL regs are useless because they don't proscribe penalties for non-compliance. I wonder if anybody is still looking at or rewriting them.
Edit: top of page 18 says "charges for interconnecting must be cost-based". Hurrah.
Lol, and up to R1,000,000 a day fines for non-compliance.
I can't speak for the legalese but in principle this is a great document. Get it done!
The ADSL regs are useless because they don't proscribe penalties for non-compliance. I wonder if anybody is still looking at or rewriting them.
Edit: top of page 18 says "charges for interconnecting must be cost-based". Hurrah.
Lol, and up to R1,000,000 a day fines for non-compliance.
I can't speak for the legalese but in principle this is a great document. Get it done!
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dominic
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funny guy/looks around for dominic
i have not read them yet altho personally i think the LabAnimal option gets my vote (only way ICASA is going to get a big up....)
BUT
of all the documents to come out from ICASA this is one of the most crucial and most difficult - interconnection and facilities leasing is at the heart of almost every competition issue that we face: international, call termination, number portability, carrier selection and preselection etc etc etc
think LLU - this is a huge part of the unbundling process
think international - even if VSNL/Neotel or Verizon can utilise bandwidth from SAT3 they cannot land it or distribute it further without interconnection/leasing (sidenote: think about the implications for 1 November)
the Electronic Communications Act is based on the fundamental principles of OPEN ACCESS and NON-DISCRIMINATION and these principles have to run through the interconnection / facilities regulations - huge implications
ICASA has already launched a related process with regard to imposing wholesale pricing obligations in respect of telkom's facilities
.......blah blah there is actually a hell of a lot happening which is potentially positive. Yes i am painfully aware of the contempt shown by telkom re the adsl regulations and ICASA's spinelessness but this is not the whole and only story. as someone who regularly deals with senior personnel at ICASA and has as cynical an attitude as you can find i am happy to be able to say that there is plenty that is good going on
so....engage with the document to the best of your ability; feel free to ask questions which i will answer to the best of my ability
it concerns me (slightly) that myadsl members are by and large happy to lable ICASA as crap and to use this as a motivation for not being involved in any public participation processes. this is particularly true regarding regulations on the Consumer Advisory Panel & the Code of Conduct for Licencees. As vocal as the members are.....
by getting involved you at the very least empower yourself
blah blah blah
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Hi Dominic,
While I share your sentiments, I also feel (as I'm sure most MyADSL / MyBroadband forumites do) that in the case of Telkom vs ICASA - the odds are overwhelming in Telkom's favour.
Time and time again Telkom has showed ICASA the finger, without so much as any substantial show of authority or reprisal from our 'Regulator' of the Telecoms Industry. I mean, honestly - who actually holds the power here?
I'm concerned that with all the changes taking place and all the potential for good we are in actual fact being mislead. In war / chess the best tactic is often to divide and conquer. With consumer focus on this and that and whatever news headline is released, we start to lose attention of the bigger picture and by the time anyone puts the pieces altogether, we're in a situation in which we wonder how on earth we could be falling back in the OECD rankings year-on-year, paying more for less and unable to effectively compete on a global scale.
YET lots of money is being made behind scenes - with our esteemed government holding shares in almost every pie purportedly in the public interests. How does the public really benefit from this situation? Can anyone eleborate more than soft sentiments from a politician what happens to profits made in this manner and better yet name the companies involved and list the shareholders? It really does beg some questions - where's the transparency? Where's the public accountability etc etc.
Perhaps if ICASA could demonstrate effectiveness on the 'simpler' issues like the ADSL Regulations it botched-up by actually re-addressing them properly - it could be used as a catalyst for other initiatives they're driving and thereby garner consumer support!? I know that ADSL uptake must be increasing because the last few months I've had intermitten resets / re-authentication on a scale of 2-4 times per nights at no regular interval. Fault logged with Telkom and low-and-behold without any techie coming to my premesis it's dropped to like 1-2 resets every other day. Yes, you could argue they're in the process of upgrading and what-not, but I would expect my telecoms service provider to know what's happening in their own 'kitchen' and not make idle threats of 'call-out fees' if the problem exist on my side. I know if the issue lies on my side, but where's the recourse if Telkom use this ploy to generate false profits from unsuspecting consumers: Exchange / SDC = trip the data line now and then to irritate consumers, when they complain Telkom stops tripping the line and charge for a call-out fee. True, that's pure conspiracy but it can't be disproved either
It doesn't take a genius to realise that if one cannot get the basic stuff right, the complex ones are bound to suffer the same (if not worse) outcomes. I say: Come on ICASA, step up and build some support for yourself. Prove to the country you are The Regulator and show us why we should stand behind you. It's the only way to clear your tarnished record.
Just my opinion.
Have a great day.
While I share your sentiments, I also feel (as I'm sure most MyADSL / MyBroadband forumites do) that in the case of Telkom vs ICASA - the odds are overwhelming in Telkom's favour.
Time and time again Telkom has showed ICASA the finger, without so much as any substantial show of authority or reprisal from our 'Regulator' of the Telecoms Industry. I mean, honestly - who actually holds the power here?
I'm concerned that with all the changes taking place and all the potential for good we are in actual fact being mislead. In war / chess the best tactic is often to divide and conquer. With consumer focus on this and that and whatever news headline is released, we start to lose attention of the bigger picture and by the time anyone puts the pieces altogether, we're in a situation in which we wonder how on earth we could be falling back in the OECD rankings year-on-year, paying more for less and unable to effectively compete on a global scale.
YET lots of money is being made behind scenes - with our esteemed government holding shares in almost every pie purportedly in the public interests. How does the public really benefit from this situation? Can anyone eleborate more than soft sentiments from a politician what happens to profits made in this manner and better yet name the companies involved and list the shareholders? It really does beg some questions - where's the transparency? Where's the public accountability etc etc.
Perhaps if ICASA could demonstrate effectiveness on the 'simpler' issues like the ADSL Regulations it botched-up by actually re-addressing them properly - it could be used as a catalyst for other initiatives they're driving and thereby garner consumer support!? I know that ADSL uptake must be increasing because the last few months I've had intermitten resets / re-authentication on a scale of 2-4 times per nights at no regular interval. Fault logged with Telkom and low-and-behold without any techie coming to my premesis it's dropped to like 1-2 resets every other day. Yes, you could argue they're in the process of upgrading and what-not, but I would expect my telecoms service provider to know what's happening in their own 'kitchen' and not make idle threats of 'call-out fees' if the problem exist on my side. I know if the issue lies on my side, but where's the recourse if Telkom use this ploy to generate false profits from unsuspecting consumers: Exchange / SDC = trip the data line now and then to irritate consumers, when they complain Telkom stops tripping the line and charge for a call-out fee. True, that's pure conspiracy but it can't be disproved either
It doesn't take a genius to realise that if one cannot get the basic stuff right, the complex ones are bound to suffer the same (if not worse) outcomes. I say: Come on ICASA, step up and build some support for yourself. Prove to the country you are The Regulator and show us why we should stand behind you. It's the only way to clear your tarnished record.
Just my opinion.
Have a great day.
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eremos
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Let's hope that's exactly what they're doing. Actions speak louder than words but in law, for action to take place you first need the words to back them up.
These regulations allow for a fine of R1m a day for non-compliance. Once they are in place we'll see if ICASA, through the CCC, actually enforce said fines.
Personally, I believe that they will.
I'm surprised that you're surprised, but my personal feeling is still that !CASA is not independent and !CASA continually dances the Bob of maggotty-brained-Ivy's tune, and surprisingly enough we still have not seen !CASA reshape its ADSL Regulations into something that can actually be implemented and that has teeth ITO hefty daily fines that Telkodemonopolies will have to pay for non-compliance...it concerns me (slightly) that myadsl members are by and large happy to lable ICASA as crap and to use this as a motivation for not being involved in any public participation processes. this is particularly true regarding regulations on the Consumer Advisory Panel & the Code of Conduct for Licencees. As vocal as the members are.....
by getting involved you at the very least empower yourself
blah blah blah
I would have a lot more confidence in !CASA if the Grim Poisonous Ivyness Creep and Llyndal Shope-Mafole and Roy Padayachie and Paris Mashile and the many other Ivy-weedlings within !CASA, were all fired on the same day, and guavamint announced that it had sold its ~38% shareholding in Telkodemonopolies.
[-]Until then, I really don't see the point of submitting anything else that !CASA gives Ivy to use as bogroll.[/-]
I have changed my mind, I will submit something to !CASA as a formal protest against its lack of independence from Ivy & the DoC, my submission will be that I want all of the above mentioned fired and I insist that the ADSL Regulations be sorted out - before I recognise !CASA as having any authority whatsoever.