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How does one combat an ideology?
In my opinion, the War on Terror, is a war with no defined borders, it is not a question of country versus country. Yes you may be able to bomb or invade a country, that supports the people who follow a certain ideology , but you risk creating further members, or followers of a radical ideology, by killing innocents and civilians.
How does one eliminate the risks of increasing followers of a radical ideology?, and how can one prevent a radical ideology from spreading?
 

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Nitpick : I think you mean doctrine, not ideology.

And terrorism is a means of fighting, it is not a goal in and of itself. If you want to combat/stop terrorism then you have to look at the reasons that terrorism occurs and you have to try to adress those reasons instead.
 

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How does one combat an ideology?
In my opinion, the War on Terror, is a war with no defined borders, it is not a question of country versus country. Yes you may be able to bomb or invade a country, that supports the people who follow a certain ideology , but you risk creating further members, or followers of a radical ideology, by killing innocents and civilians.
How does one eliminate the risks of increasing followers of a radical ideology?, and how can one prevent a radical ideology from spreading?
You destroy ideology with the proper application of deut 6v4&5,
 

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You have to address the underlying fear that makes the ideology attractive.

Radical ideology is always based on fear. To get people to subscribe to radical ideology, you have to make them fearful of real or imagined threats - it's social engineering via fear. Politicians 'force' their agendas by creating fear - making people think that they are in danger, and that the only way to combat the danger is via the solutions that the politicians present.

I don't know how one would address false fears on a massive social scale.
 

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You have to address the underlying fear that makes the ideology attractive.

Radical ideology is always based on fear. To get people to subscribe to radical ideology, you have to make them fearful of real or imagined threats - it's social engineering via fear. Politicians 'force' their agendas by creating fear - making people think that they are in danger, and that the only way to combat the danger is via the solutions that the politicians present.

I don't know how one would address false fears on a massive social scale.
I think this is a rather messy topic. I would say that for most of the terrorism we see today, although the religious elements are a vehicle for the extremism, they aren't the cause. The real causes are largely political, and if you addressed those then the situation would calm down substantially.
 

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I honestly believe that the early christian church overcome their fear by the correct application of Deut 6v4&5, in that way not falling into a ideology...

In my opinion the ideology of christianity is one of love... Is that not may be one of the reasons people so easily dismiss god as non-existent today. It is actually the other exstreme of the ideologies is it not?
 

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You have to address the underlying fear that makes the ideology attractive.

Radical ideology is always based on fear. To get people to subscribe to radical ideology, you have to make them fearful of real or imagined threats - it's social engineering via fear. Politicians 'force' their agendas by creating fear - making people think that they are in danger, and that the only way to combat the danger is via the solutions that the politicians present.

I don't know how one would address false fears on a massive social scale.
what is transparently evident for worldwide politicians is that every single one of them appears to have read "animal farm" and are applying those principles on a grand scale. this is particularly evident in south africa, all politicians in this country, regardless of political affiliation, use fear to try get votes. I'd vote for someone who pushed for my hopes/dreams.....not fears.

this is just not an sa thing...read some of the british newspapers that are sold here, i guarantee you that 90% of the stories are fear based. its such a ridiculously concept considering, the grass is supposed to be greener there from our point of view. they don't have drastic crime problems like us but their newspapers make as though the country is about to fall into anarchy.

i actually find it funny, that people still buy into this type of propoganda.
 

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The cynic in me isn't surprised that the education system is in shambles. Ignorant people are more easily swayed by fearmongering.
 

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The thing about this war on terror, is that is causes more terror than it actually eradicate. So in the end the solution will become the problem.
 

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1. education (allows one to decide the merits of the ideology)
2. another ideology (to replace the one removed)
 

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1. education (allows one to decide the merits of the ideology)
2. another ideology (to replace the one removed)
I agree. Education, or to be more specific - information. As Debbie said, indoctrination into an ideology is often due to fear. Fear of the unknown. If that fear can be challenged, by making the unknown known, people can develop their own personal "ideology".
 

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I agree. Education, or to be more specific - information. As Debbie said, indoctrination into an ideology is often due to fear. Fear of the unknown. If that fear can be challenged, by making the unknown known, people can develop their own personal "ideology".
Ideology seems to be a real killer of people:

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"Dawkins seems to think that religion, by definition, is one of the world's great evils, but, like ideology, religion in and of itself is neither good nor bad. The morality of a particular religion or ideology (including Dawkins' own) depends on the content of it. Of course, religion can cause conflict in the world, but it's the religions of Communism and Fascism that have been the most bloody in human history. Under Stalin's reign in the Soviet Union they shot, tortured, beat or froze to death at least 40 million of its people; Hitler's Nazi rule in Germany was responsible for the deaths of 12 million civilians, half of them Jews; Mao Tse Tung's had 2 million 'class enemies' shot, another 2 million where executed during the 'Cultural Revolution' 1 million Tibetans and Turkestani Muslims were 'liquidated' and at least 30 million were deliberately starved to death; Pol Pot and his notorious Khmer Rouge were responsible for killing at least 1 million 'class enemies' in the Cambodian Killing Fields. Common to all these evil personalities and ideologies was militant atheism. "
 

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Don't forget democracy. The US has been responsible for at least a couple of million themselves, directly and through deliberate destabilisation. The Khmer Rouge were greatly assisted by US attacks on Cambodia that killed at least 500,000 people.

I think we already established that Hitler was a Christian.
 

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Don't forget democracy. The US has been responsible for at least a couple of million themselves, directly and through deliberate destabilisation. The Khmer Rouge were greatly assisted by US attacks on Cambodia that killed at least 500,000 people.

I think we already established that Hitler was a Christian.
On what basis?... Because he made that declaration in a newspaper? I am quite sure you will not acept it as valid declarations if he was honest and said what he really was an atheist..

I think i brought in enough evidence that he indeed was..., want me to post it again?

Communism, fascism, sosialism, etc. are all atheistic ideoligies calling for deliberate destabilisation... Africa and Eastern europe prime examples...

Where did i say i support democracy- or that G-D even support democracy?
 
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Douwdouw : so if Hitler say he was Christian, he's lying, whats to say you aren't lying when you say the same thing?

No, communism, fascism, soCialism, etc are not atheistic ideologies calling for deliberate destabilisation, democracy does that ALL on its own thank you very much, Africa and Eastern Europe being prime examples of that.

If God doesn't support democracy, then Democracy is an atheistic ideology is it not?
 

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Douwdouw : so if Hitler say he was Christian, he's lying, whats to say you aren't lying when you say the same thing?

No, communism, fascism, soCialism, etc are not atheistic ideologies calling for deliberate destabilisation, democracy does that ALL on its own thank you very much, Africa and Eastern Europe being prime examples of that.

If God doesn't support democracy, then Democracy is an atheistic ideology is it not?
ntdimension
so if Hitler say he was Christian, he's lying, whats to say you aren't lying when you say the same thing?


Are you not taking a liar word for what he had to say?

No, communism, fascism, soCialism, etc are not atheistic ideologies calling for deliberate destabilisation, democracy does that ALL on its own thank you very much, Africa and Eastern Europe being prime examples of that

Maybe you need to study a bit of history...and...
why are countries in the eastern block turning their backs on such ideoligies?
In africa atheism will never work, the people believe in spirits :D
In asia you should encounter the same problem...

And democracy...the majority rules the minority... just as bad...
 

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I'm not believing Hitler was a Christian, or saying he was lying when he said the same thing. But you seem able to fathom whether a person who has been dead for over 50years was lying or not. I am just wondering how I can know he was lying, and you're not?

No, I think you need to study a bit of politics, and economics.
The turned their back on such ideologies more than 10years ago, some are coming right, some are not. I'm not sure how many countries in Africa ever openly embraced communism, socialism or fascism, but the ones that have openly adopted democracy are having problems.

Ahhh, but they're all heathens and pagans and will go to hell because they don't believe in God will they not?

So what political system are you suggesting we adopt, since you've ruled every other even vaguely viable one out?
 

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I'm not believing Hitler was a Christian, or saying he was lying when he said the same thing. But you seem able to fathom whether a person who has been dead for over 50years was lying or not. I am just wondering how I can know he was lying, and you're not?
It actually funny that you and your atheist friends find yourselves qualified to fathom over the omnipotence of an almighty god... and in the same voice you find someone querying the honesty of deceitful murder unreasonable?
 

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No, I think you need to study a bit of politics, and economics.
The turned their back on such ideologies more than 10years ago, some are coming right, some are not. I'm not sure how many countries in Africa ever openly embraced communism, socialism or fascism, but the ones that have openly adopted democracy are having problems.
Just study our neighbouring countries to see the damage caused by communism
So Mugabe is a democrat?- where were you brainwashed?
Sam Njoma is a democrat?- where were you brainwashed?
Angola and Mozambique?- if you really believe the mentioned countries and persons did not embrace communism, please tell your age... people were killed in a war on our borders you know...

Why do they suffer with democratic principles...exactly...the atheist influence no respect for life....
 

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Zim has a democratic system of government (which is being abused)
Sam Njoma was elected and his abusing his position.
Those are not prime examples of communism, they're examples of corruption.

Angola is on our border? wow, I learn some new geographic fact.

You still haven't given me your response, which political system should we adopt since they're all inherently evil and backed by satan and blah blah blah...
 
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