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Mr TB

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Zim has a democratic system of government (which is being abused)
Sam Njoma was elected and his abusing his position.
Those are not prime examples of communism, they're examples of corruption.

Angola is on our border? wow, I learn some new geographic fact.

You still haven't given me your response, which political system should we adopt since they're all inherently evil and backed by satan and blah blah blah...
Zim has a democratic system of government (which is being abused)
:D Maybe this is the joke of the year 2007.

Sam Njoma was elected and his abusing his position.
:D Maybe this is the joke of the year 2007.

Angola and Mozambique is mentioned because because of communism that countries is ruined... Maybe you are a communist i never thought about that?

None of the systems of this day work because the people in power do not consult with god...

It is easy to say god says but difficult to do his will... human nature wants to interfere...

The perfect scenario will be the appointed king on his thrown in jerusalem...
 

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How are both of my statements jokes? They're the truth....

Umm, no, those countries were both ruined because of long civil wars. Ahhh yes, now I'm a communist as well as all the other things You've called me... cool

But George Bush consults with God and his country is a mess... so clearly that doesn't work either.

Oh, ok, so you want to replace democracy and all those other systems with a complete dictatorship, where we are all ruled by someone who is appointed by some "god" that many don't believe in. No Thanks, I'll stick with democracy where I have a say in who rules me.
 

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The church was always partial to monarchies. Basically brutal dictators, but apparently elected by God so that was alright.

Socialism is more an economic than a political system.

Fascism is entirely compatible with capitalism. I think it is even compatible with having elected leaders.
 

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How are both of my statements jokes? They're the truth....

Umm, no, those countries were both ruined because of long civil wars. Ahhh yes, now I'm a communist as well as all the other things You've called me... cool

But George Bush consults with God and his country is a mess... so clearly that doesn't work either.

Oh, ok, so you want to replace democracy and all those other systems with a complete dictatorship, where we are all ruled by someone who is appointed by some "god" that many don't believe in. No Thanks, I'll stick with democracy where I have a say in who rules me.
DEMOCRACY!... whaat?, you have a say in who rules you?! One of then who rules you did not mind blowing up a few innocent people... it was not one of your family members...

A democracy where crime is escallating...wake up please!!!
It is easy to say you are consulting with god...you obviously didn't read my typing...

The democracy will have to consult not only one man, in a dictatorship it comes down to one man...

Its like oxen a democracy, one ox pulling this way and the other seven that in an other direction. The other seven include atheist scientism as well as a corrupt judge jones... No way the democracy can work... explained the USA?

Just a little thought to understand the messes in the current world...
 

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Which democracy are we talking about now?

I do still have a say in who rules me, my vote counts....

I never said I was consulting with god....

Actually Oxen pulling a cart works very well because there is a structure they work within, just like a democracy has a constitution that defines the limits.

The messes in the current world all boil down to democracy and how it should be replaced by your supposed "king"... Oh yes, please can we PLEASE have a situation like that, it would solve everything..
 

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Which democracy are we talking about now?

I do still have a say in who rules me, my vote counts....

I never said I was consulting with god....

Actually Oxen pulling a cart works very well because there is a structure they work within, just like a democracy has a constitution that defines the limits.

The messes in the current world all boil down to democracy and how it should be replaced by your supposed "king"... Oh yes, please can we PLEASE have a situation like that, it would solve everything..
 

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Which democracy are we talking about now?

I do still have a say in who rules me, my vote counts....

I never said I was consulting with god....

Actually Oxen pulling a cart works very well because there is a structure they work within, just like a democracy has a constitution that defines the limits.

The messes in the current world all boil down to democracy and how it should be replaced by your supposed "king"... Oh yes, please can we PLEASE have a situation like that, it would solve everything..
Yes they are all mankind philosophies and deceitful tactics to lead gods children away from christ...did you read colossians 2v8?
 

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The church was always partial to monarchies. Basically brutal dictators, but apparently elected by God so that was alright.

Socialism is more an economic than a political system.

Fascism is entirely compatible with capitalism. I think it is even compatible with having elected leaders.
REALLY?
 

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As is being ruled by a single person a "mankind philosophy" as you put it, and its even more deceitful than all the other philosophys put together, so by simple deduction of logic, the idea of being ruled by a king will lead gods children even further away from christ.

Since I don't believe in your "god" what good will reading that passage do for me?
 

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Yet another thread that got dodo'd........

From Webster:
dodo'd - verb: Derailing any intelligent discussion by trolling and sprouting made-up drivel and fundamentalist nonsense, based on primitive believes long debunked by science and logic, thereby driving away anyone with valuable contribution and ensuring conversation spirals into sewerage and mud-slinging.

Usage: "This conversation was going well till it got dodo'd."

Synonyms - f*cked, stuffed, derailed.

Antonyms - logic, enlightened, fact-based.
 
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Yeah... its a pity, cos it could have been an interesting thread.
To get back on topic (sort of)...

You're doomed to failure if you try and wage war on a verb. (Think the 'War on Poverty, for example)

Debs is quite right in that you can only address the underlying cause to resolve the symptoms that are the subject of the 'war'.
 

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Oh I fully agree with that, as far as I'm concerned when there's a "War on something" its just a politcal ploy to take the focus away from something else, or to give the public something to focus on. This country has many "wars" but very little concrete long lasting solutions to the underlying problems. Ok thats me going O/T on that one.

I spose in some ways I'm an anarchist, because I don't deal too well with authority.
 

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Oh I fully agree with that, as far as I'm concerned when there's a "War on something" its just a politcal ploy to take the focus away from something else, or to give the public something to focus on. This country has many "wars" but very little concrete long lasting solutions to the underlying problems. Ok thats me going O/T on that one.
1984 clearly demonstrated the concept. The war is more important than the enemy.
 

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Yeah, and the US is demonstrating that more and more every day.... actually I spose in some ways so is SA.
 

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Yeah, and the US is demonstrating that more and more every day.... actually I spose in some ways so is SA.
Right now the US is probably the closest to a police state in the western hemisphere (read the PATRIOT act) with open designs on becoming an empire.

I don't think were doing too badly. I don't think we've got politicians with a serious underlying agenda. They're not sophicticated enough.

We (at least our government officials) are still in the "gryp, rape and escape" corruption phase.
 

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The church was always partial to monarchies. Basically brutal dictators, but apparently elected by God so that was alright.

Socialism is more an economic than a political system.

Fascism is entirely compatible with capitalism. I think it is even compatible with having elected leaders.
Thanks for that. People seem to think that communism = totalitarianism. However,

Examples of political systems:
Despotism
Monarchy
Democracy
Anarchism

Examples of economic systems:
Socialism
Capitalism
Communism
Feudalism

These can be mixed and matched almost at will. Here are a couple of examples and the people who espoused the ideas:

Despotic communism - Stalin, Lenin
Despotic capitalism - Augusto Pinochet
Democratic communism - Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels
Democratic capitalism - Robert Reagan, Margaret Thatcher
Anarcho communism - Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin
Anarcho capitalism - Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman
Monarchic feudalism - Medieval kings

Some people won't agree with my pigeonholing, but IMO that simply reinforces the point.

Trying to vilify the concept of communism, capitalism, socialism just because of certain preconceptions is flawed.
 

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Rkoot : Thanks, nice to see a simple to the point list of things, and i agree those kind of systems can and have been mixed and matched at will. The issue we were having is that douwdouw has this interesting ability of ignoring reality and pidgeon holing everything it doesn't understand/want to understand as evil and satanic.
 

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Thanks for that. People seem to think that communism = totalitarianism. However,

Examples of political systems:
Despotism
Monarchy
Democracy
Anarchism

Examples of economic systems:
Socialism
Capitalism
Communism
Feudalism

These can be mixed and matched almost at will. Here are a couple of examples and the people who espoused the ideas:

Despotic communism - Stalin, Lenin
Despotic capitalism - Augusto Pinochet
Democratic communism - Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels
Democratic capitalism - Robert Reagan, Margaret Thatcher
Anarcho communism - Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin
Anarcho capitalism - Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman
Monarchic feudalism - Medieval kings

Some people won't agree with my pigeonholing, but IMO that simply reinforces the point.

Trying to vilify the concept of communism, capitalism, socialism just because of certain preconceptions is flawed.
Do you support communism?- explain the concept if you think it is vilified...
An economic system will always be applied within a political system is that correct?
For a economy to be capatalist, a free market is required if my understanding is correct...
 
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Why must rkoot explain the concept if he wants to defame/slander communism?

Or am i misinterpreting what you mean by vilify.
 
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