If the Boer War(s) never happened?

Mortymoose

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Was pondering the question over the weekend, of perhaps how the South Africa of today would have looked if the Boer war(s) never happened.

Would the country have been more first world orientated? Who would be running the country? Could the entire sub continent been different today? How the would the demographics have looked this morning?

What if? Funny how wars can change the future a century on.....

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mmmm very interesting question. One can definately speculate ... but will never really know.

The mortality rate in the concentration camps were extremely high I think iirc .... so the Afrikaans population would have been bigger I suppose ... but if it would be significant enough to have changed the outcome of lets say our modern elections? Dont think anyone can answer that really
 

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no concentration camps in south Africa which means Hitler could of never thought of using them in WW2 so at the very least there would of been a lot more European Jews.
Winston Churchill would never be taken prison and possibly the series of events that led him to be pm may never of happened and would of changed the who became pm subsequently.
point is the entire world would of turned out differently
 

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no concentration camps in south Africa which means Hitler could of never thought of using them in WW2 so at the very least there would of been a lot more European Jews.
The Germans used concentration camps in WWI.
 

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Nope, don't think so. IIRC about 20 000 black folk also died in those camps.

Anyway, OP. What would the situation have been in your hypothetical? Boers submit to British rule without fighting or what?
So then there might have been more white people AND black people
 

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Anyway, OP. What would the situation have been in your hypothetical? Boers submit to British rule without fighting or what?
Nope! But say that there was no gold or diamond discoveries and the two Boer Republics had stayed intact, The Brits in Natal and The Cape,

I just finished watching a three hour documentary on Youtube about The Boer war, incredible piece of history,
 

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Nope! But say that there was no gold or diamond discoveries and the two Boer Republics had stayed intact, The Brits in Natal and The Cape,

I just finished watching a three hour documentary on Youtube about The Boer war, incredible piece of history,
Would you mind sharing the link?
 

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When you go overseas it's the South African War, they don't call it the Boer war at all :). Going through the British war museums that's what they call it.
It would've happened eventually if it didn't happen in earlier, with WW1 the Boer republic probably would've sided with the Germans and then the British probably would've had to have intervened so it would've made WW1 more interesting.
 

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no concentration camps in south Africa which means Hitler could of never thought of using them in WW2 so at the very least there would of been a lot more European Jews.
Winston Churchill would never be taken prison and possibly the series of events that led him to be pm may never of happened and would of changed the who became pm subsequently.
point is the entire world would of turned out differently
You labour under the mistaken notion that concentration camp = extermination camp. You're taking a post-WW2 meaning and ahistorically applying it back forty years.

All it means is higher density fenced-for-isolation accommodation, and has nothing to do with killing. Concentration camps can be defensive, such as shelters for refugees, or during a plague.

The Boer War concentration camps were not an inspiration for Hitler and in no conceivable way a forerunner of the Nazi extermination program.
 
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I think a war between the Boers and Brits was inevitable. If not over resources, then as a part of WW1. It is highly likely that the Boers would've sided with the Germans and then either during the war or at a later date they'd would've been defeated and subjugated by the British.
 

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Hmm, wonder if Oranje Vrystaat and Transvaal would have remained separate republics, think SA may have been balkanised, would have sucked being landlocked, so maybe they would have invaded one of the coastal countries sparking war with Brittain anyway.
 

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Hmm, wonder if Oranje Vrystaat and Transvaal would have remained separate republics, think SA may have been balkanised, would have sucked being landlocked, so maybe they would have invaded one of the coastal countries sparking war with Brittain anyway.
Nah it wouldn't have lasted passed 1918 or so, it would've probably be annexed during the war.
 
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WHY bring up this old contentious , emotional and hoary old bit of history NOW ?
When SA is about to go to the polls in possibly the most important election in the countries history !

It is QUITE clear that there was NO good reason for the War
IF in the very beginning Kruger ( that sly old crook ) had given EVERYONE in the ZAR a [qualified] vote there would have been NO reason for any hostilities.
The "uitlanders" were not at all interested in the "vote" being much more interested in the ECONOMICS of MINING
THAT is where the problems lay
Kruger -- in his absolute ignorance of industry / commerce / mining gave out state MONOPOLIES ( mostly to jews )
This was about as effective as SA today under Zuma and the ANC

It was necessary to remove the inefficient and wasteful and corrupt government machinery of the ZAR in order for the Gold mines to advance in a modern efficient and economically optimal manner.

However Kruger was NOT prepared to give up his control of government or his personal political power
JUST like so many current day African despots
 
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