Incorporating Zim into SA will save it from ruin

[Emjay]

This is the most insane solution I have heard of.

The ANC cannot run SA correctly. Our roads are falling apart, talk of the water system failing, crime levels are through the roof, unemployment at an astonishing rate etc.

How on Earth would the ANC take another country out of ruin?

 

[DigitalSoldier]

It's not like we're heading in that direction anyway......

Off Topic:



http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/Story.asp?Id=3625

That was rather chilling

Does Botswana have a military and how does their militairy compare to the rest of Africa?

O/T: Must be really fun at the Mbeki house during Christmas

 

[Alan]

Does Botswana have a military and how does their militairy compare to the rest of Africa?

Following political changes in South Africa and the region, the BDF's missions have increasingly focused on anti-poaching activities, disaster-preparedness, and foreign peacekeeping. The United States has been the largest single contributor to the development of the BDF, and a large segment of its officer corps has received U.S. training.

The BDF consists of one armoured brigade, two infantry brigades, four infantry battalions, two armoured artillery, one engineer regiment and one commando regiment.

The Botswana Defence Force Air Wing is the air force of Botswana and is organisationally part of the BDF.

From 1998-99, 380 BDF soldiers formed part of a Southern African Development Community (SADC) task force to quell an internal uprising in Lesotho. Botswana withdrew its contingent when the situation was thought to be sufficiently stable not to require their presence. The BDF has also been successfully deployed as part of the UN peacekeeping operations in both Somalia and the Darfur region of Sudan

In 2001, Botswana's forces consisted of:

FV101 Scorpion light tank - 36
SK-105 Kurassier light tank - 50
Cadillac Gage Commando - 50 (some with 90mm gun)
BTR-60 armoured personnel carrier - 30
FV103 Spartan armoured personnel carrier - 6
RAM/RBY armoured personnel carrier - 8
VBL Reconnaissance vehicle - 27 [2]
Mowag Piranha III APCs - 50 [3]
L118 Light Gun 105 mm towed howitzer - 12
OTO Melara Mod 56 pack towed artillery (105 mm) 6
Soltam - 12 towed artillery (155 mm)
Mortar (81 mm) - 12
M-43 Mortar (120 mm) - 6
TOW anti-tank missile launchers - 6
Carl Gustav recoilless rifle 84 mm - 30
M167 Vulcan air defence gun 20 mm - 7
SA-7 Grail portable surface-to-air missile launchers - 12
SA-16 portable surface-to-air missile launchers - 10
Javelin surface-to-air missile launchers - 6

IMET (International Military Education and Training) funds from the USA remain important to Botswana's officer training programme. Over 30 Botswana officers receive military training in the US each year; by 1999 approximately 85% of the BDF officers are said to have been trained under this system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Botswana

O/T: Must be really fun at the Mbeki house during Christmas

Quite a few uncomfortable moments lol

 

[Caine]

Cheap Labor FTW.

 

[boramk]

This is an opinion?
This is myne:

Your opinions are worthless because you havn't studied economics.
Incoporate Zim into South Africa?
OK, u need a hi 5

 

[EtienneK]

This is an opinion?
This is myne:

Your opinions are worthless because you havn't studied economics.
Incoporate Zim into South Africa?
OK, u need a hi 5

What a worthless comment!... Oh, I see what you did there!

 

[shadowfox]

Maybe they should split Zim up into all the surrounding countries

A piece for Zambia, a piece for Botswana, a piece for SA and a piece for Moz.

 

[Albereth]

Strange title for this thread - Zim is already a ruin.

But that aside, incorporation would only be good in so far as Ugly Bob would be in the Hague so fast it would make your head spin.

 

[2CentsWorth]

This is the most insane solution I have heard of.

The ANC cannot run SA correctly. Our roads are falling apart, talk of the water system failing, crime levels are through the roof, unemployment at an astonishing rate etc.

How on Earth would the ANC take another country out of ruin?

You do realise it was a straightforward Joe Citizen's comments, right? It was not an official comment from any official government or other similar source whatsoever.

Hook, line and sinker

 

[EtienneK]

You do realise it was a straightforward Joe Citizen's comments, right? It was not an official comment from any official government or other similar source whatsoever.

Even so, this does appeal to me.

 

[boramk]

Well your an idiot.
Higher inflation, higher crime, more slums, lower GDP per capita, less government capital, more unemployment... AND SO MUCH MORE

You don't think of any these, you just think more land and people will be good.

 

[EtienneK]

You don't think of any these, you just think more land and people will be good.

Now you're just stating the obvious.

 

[Emjay]

You do realise it was a straightforward Joe Citizen's comments, right? It was not an official comment from any official government or other similar source whatsoever.

Hook, line and sinker

Yes I did realise this.

Any normal citizen would realise this is a bad idea. It is not rocket science.

 

[EtienneK]

Yes I did realise this.

Any normal citizen would realise this is a bad idea. It is not rocket science.

Wait? What? You realise it's a normal citizen that said this but you still state normal citizens won't say this? Huh? Wtf?

 

[Fuma]

I'm no economics person, but I think the whole inflation and all won't apply since Zim will be South Africa.
Zim has about 13Mil people compared to SA's 50mil. And Zim is rich in agricultural stuff (it was until the farmers' farms were taken away).

I think incorporating Zim would be better because eventually all the Zimbabweans will come to SA. In the long rum, we'll have a better country to feed out people. IMO.

 

[Blah!Blah!]

A Zimbabwean arrives in Jo'burg as a new immigrant in South Africa . He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, "Thank you Mr. South African, for letting me in this country, and giving me free housing, food, free medical care, affirmative action job and free education!"

But the passer-by says, "You are mistaken, I am a Nigerian. I'm just here for the free medical care"

The man goes on and encounters another passer-by "Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in South Africa !"
The person says, "I'm not South African, I'm from Mozambique . I'm just here for the free housing"

The new arrival walks further and the next person he sees he stops, shakes hands and says, "Thank you for the wonderful South Africa !" That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Botswana , I am not a South African .I'm just here for the free education"

He finally sees a lady and asks suspiciously, "Are you a South African? She says, "No, I am from Ghana !"
So he is puzzled and asks her, "Where are all the South Africans?" The Ghana lady looks at her watch, shrugs, and says..."Probably at work!"

lol Bob made me post it

 

[zagame]

Harare - A South African farmer in Zimbabwe had to slaughter 1 000 of his pigs and feed the meat to crocodiles because farm invaders had decided that no pig feed would be allowed on the farm.

Louis Fick has been farming with pigs, crocodiles, cattle, fish and grain near Chinhoyi since 1993.

He said the last of 3 500 pigs will be finished off within weeks, while all his cattle had already been killed.

This is partly due to the ban on animal feed and partly because the senior Reserve Bank official who had seized the farm in July 2007 was limiting Fick's farming activities to 5ha of the 400ha farm.

Nothing was happening on the rest of the land, said Fick from Zimbabwe on Wednesday.

Going to approach SADC tribunal

He is part of a group of farmers who will now once again approach the Southern African Development Community (SADC) tribunal to try and force President Robert Mugabe's government to reinstate their ownership of expropriated farms.

On 28 November the tribunal ruled in Windhoek, Namibia that the expropriation of the farms of 78 farmers was illegal, but Fick said thus far no SADC country has been prepared to help enforce the ruling.

Zimbabwe has rejected the judgment.

Fick and Deon Theron, deputy president of the Commercial Farmers Union (CFU) of Zimbabwe, said on Wednesday they were going to request the tribunal to rule Zimbabwe in contempt of the judgment.

'No urgency'

"In the long-term Zimbabwe will have to honour the judgment, but in the short-term it is very frustrating," Fick said.

"There is no urgency among the (SADC) countries to attend to the matter. We are in constant contact with the South African government through the embassy (in Harare), but we're not getting any feedback."

In the meantime the campaign against the farmers is intensifying.

Fick said prominent employees of Zimbabwe's Reserve Bank were increasingly targeting farms.

On his farm the new owner prohibited the supply of animal feed for the first time in April last year, and then again since last week.

Farmers forbidden to plant

"They are making it incredibly difficult and are in effect allowing no feed.

"We have to throw the feed over high security fences and then load it onto vehicles, but then they lock up the vehicles so that we can't move. It's not fair towards the animals. Fortunately I can feed the pigs to the crocodiles.

In its heyday, the farm as an integrated enterprise supported 3 500 pigs, 12 000 crocodiles, 1 500 cattle and a fish hatchery. Eighty hectares had been planted with wheat and soya.

Theron said most of the remaining 300 white farmers were currently being forbidden to plant and the persecution of farmers who refused to stop farming was continuing.

"It's a nightmare."

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2460662,00.html

I think it's to late

 

[quiksilver]

Great idea!!! More people to vote for the ANC.

 

[KillerX]

Interesting Idea....

You know in shares or investments, you buy something not for what it is, but what it could be. Zimbabwe right now is a craphole, but it COULD be the breadbasket of Africa again one day (perhaps 20 years or so)...

5-10 million zimbabweans are already here - they are already using our currency.

The only problem is that we have retards running the country. And as said earlier - we cant even maintain our own roads or electricity - how will we ever manage another country added all together. The Nats could maybe do it - but I doubt we could do it now.

 

[Flanders]

I think it would be suicide for SA. What amazes me is that we had all this xenophobic violence just over six months ago and yet our borders are completely open for anyone to come and go as they please. When it happens again, and it will, our leaders are going to say "eish, what's this? How could this happen?" I think we should build our own wall and have nothing to do with that scumbag or at the very least deploy our useless army this side of the Limpopo to control the influx of illegal aliens.