India was warned of the attacks

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Hmmm so Jewish mom and husband murdered and she was pregnant, all at the hands of Islamic terror. The world is SILENT !!
 

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No but can you imagine the Jews going into some random country and murdering a mom, dad and unborn child in this manner? The world would be breaking the doors of the UN demanding action.
 

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No but can you imagine the Jews going into some random country and murdering a mom, dad and unborn child

Unfortunately yes I can.

But it must be said I can also imagine it happening here, Kosovo, Iraq, and many other bloodthirsty countries.

And to be fair, the world is hardly silent on the Mumbai massacre or are you suggesting that it should be especially outraged at the jewish deaths ?
 

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What I am saying and please dont try and put words in my mouth, If Jews attacked Muslims in this way, can you imagine what would happen? The whole bloody world would be screaming for blood.
 

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I could suggest that helicopter missiles fired into ghettos at ' terrorist' targets which kill bystanding women and children is equally abhorrent but that is a topic well covered.

Yes the slaughter of the jews in Mumbai is an unspeakable horror as is the death of all 170+ others.

But to the topic - while it is not surprising that US intelligence has reason not be be taken as cast-in-stone fact, there is something not clear here.

If there was explicit intelligence on pending attacks by muslim radicals I have no doubt that this information would have been passed on to Israeli intelligence.

Presuming this happened what steps did they take to warn or protect their citizens in India ?
 
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I dont know why these 'intelligence agencies' dont go public with this information. It's not much good to go "I told you so" after the event has taken place.
 

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I could suggest that helicopter missiles fired into ghettos at ' terrorist' targets which kill bystanding women and children is equally abhorrent but that is a topic well covered.

Yes the slaughter of the jews in Mumbai is an unspeakable horror as is the death of all 170+ others.

But to the topic - while it is not surprising that US intelligence has reason not be be taken as cast-in-stone fact, there is something not clear here.

If there was explicit intelligence on pending attacks by muslim radicals I have no doubt that this information would have been passed on to Israeli intelligence.

Presuming this happened what steps did they take to warn or protect their citizens in India ?

I dont know why these 'intelligence agencies' dont go public with this information. It's not much good to go "I told you so" after the event has taken place.

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Good Point.
 

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I could suggest that helicopter missiles fired into ghettos at ' terrorist' targets which kill bystanding women and children is equally abhorrent but that is a topic well covered.
Read my post, no read both my posts. I said "IN THIS WAY" And to be honest, if the idiots want to use human shields then they deserve it. :rolleyes:
Oh and what is the similarity between terrorists being killed by Israelis and a mother, child and father being attacked at a religious centre? Heaven forbid the Jews attack a Mosque.
 

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Read my post, no read both my posts. I said "IN THIS WAY" And to be honest, if the idiots want to use human shields then they deserve it. :rolleyes:

Oh that one has become too much of a cliche - and you normally argue better than that.

A vehicle driving down some gravel alley in Gaza can hardly be ' using human shields '. There are civilians in Gaza everywhere just going about their daily business.

What's your take on the US/Israeli intelligence sharing ?
 

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May i remember you the US intelligence claimed Saddam had Nukes, yes take these people seriously. You Take the US as seriously as you take Chris rock.

The only time the US know anything is when they are involved.
 

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What I am saying and please dont try and put words in my mouth, If Jews attacked Muslims in this way, can you imagine what would happen? The whole bloody world would be screaming for blood.

No they wouldn't. I'm sure people like yourself would be saying they desvered it etc. :p And how is the world silent about this? It's been the biggest news story for ages now specifically mentioning that terrorists targeted a Jewish centre.
 

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I have said what I needed to say, feel free to argue as you have been.
 

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If Jews attacked Muslims in this way

They did, the British called them terrorists and now we have the state of Israel.(i.e they got what they wanted using terrorism)
The King David Hotel bombing was a deadly bomb strike by the Irgun, a militant Zionist group, on the headquarters of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, located at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. The offensive was carried out on 22 July 1946 and was the deadliest attack against the British during the Mandate era (1920-1948).
Operating in disguise, Irgun members planted a bomb in the basement of the main building of the hotel, part of which housed the Mandate Secretariat and the British military headquarters. Telephoned warnings were sent to the main switchboard of the hotel, the Palestine Post newspaper and the French consulate[1][2], but no evacuation was carried out, giving rise to much controversy over the reasons why people were not cleared from the building. The ensuing explosion caused the collapse of the southwestern corner of the southern wing of the hotel. 91 people were killed and 46 were injured, with some of the deaths and injuries occurring in the road outside the hotel and in adjacent buildings.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

The Deir Yassin massacre was the killing of between 107 and 120 Palestinian villagers,[1] the estimate generally accepted by scholars,[2][3] during and possibly after the battle[4][5] at the village of Deir Yassin (also written as Dayr Yasin or Dir Yassin) near Jerusalem in the British Mandate of Palestine by Jewish irregular forces (Irgun and Lehi) between 9 April and 11 April 1948. It occurred while Jewish Yishuv forces fought to break the siege of Jerusalem during the period of civil war that preceded the end of the Mandate.
Contemporary reports, originating apparently from a commanding officer in Jerusalem of one of the irregular forces involved (the Irgun), Mordechai Ra'anan[6], gave an initial estimate of 254 killed.[7] The size of the figure had a considerable impact on the conflict in creating panic and became a major cause of the 1948 Palestinian exodus.[7][8]
The massacre was universally condemned at the time, including repudiations from the Haganah command and the Jewish Agency.[9]

Eyewitness accounts
Meir Pa'il's eyewitness account is one of the most detailed single eye witness accounts of the massacre, as he claims to have been at the scene while it happened. Pa'il was a spy for the mainstream Jewish organizations in Palestine monitoring the activities of the right-wing or "dissident" groups. He stated that he:
"... started hearing shooting in the village. The fighting was over, yet there was the sound of firing of all kinds from different houses ... Sporadic firing, not like you would [normally] hear when they clean a house.". He also stated that no commanders directed the actions, just groups of guerillas running about "full of lust for murder".[44]
Historian Uri Milstein says: "On a massacre following the battle there is only the account of Me’ir Pa’il, who claims that he was in the village during and after the battle," and notes that Irgun members denied seeing Pa’il there. [45]
Mordechai Gihon's eyewitness account: Mordechai Gihon was a Haganah intelligence officer in Jerusalem. He was in the village at the afternoon of 9 April. He reported:-
"Before we got to the village we saw people carrying bodies to the quarry east of Deir Yassin. We entered the village around 3:00 in the afternoon . . . In the village there were tens of bodies. The dissidents got them out of the roads. I told them not to throw the bodies into cisterns and caves, because that was the first place that would be checked..."
"I didn't count the dead. I estimated that there were four pits full of bodies, and in each pit there were 20 bodies, and several tens more in the quarry. I throw out a number, 150."[46]
Eliahu Arbel's eyewitness account: Eliahu Arbel arrived at the scene 10 April. He was an Operations Officer B of the Haganah's Etzioni Brigade. He reported:-
"I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gunfire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses. From my experience I know well, that there is no war without killing, and that not only combatants get killed. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin."[47]
Jacques de Reynier's eyewitness account: Jacques de Reynier was a French-Swiss Representative of the International Red Cross. He came to the village on 11 April. He reported:-
"... a total of more than 200 dead, men, women, and children. About 150 cadavers have not been preserved inside the village in view of the danger represented by the bodies' decomposition. They have been gathered, transported some distance, and placed in a large trough (I have not been able to establish if this is a pit, a grain silo, or a large natural excavation). ... [One body was] a woman who must have been eight months pregnant, hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she'd been shot point-blank.".[48]
Dr. Alfred Engel's eyewitness account: Alfred Engel went to Deir Yassin with Jacques de Reynier, his conclusion is similar to de Reynier's. He reported:-
"In the houses there were dead, in all about a hundred men, women and children. It was terrible. I did not see any signs of defilement, mutilation, or rape. ... It was clear that they (the attackers) had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years, in World War I, but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle."[49]
Yeshurun Schiff's eyewitness account: Yeshurun Shiff was an adjutant to David Shaltiel. He was in Deir Yassin 9 April and 12 April. He reported:-
"[The attackers chose] to kill anybody they found alive as though every living thing in the village was the enemy and they could only think 'kill them all.'...It was a lovely spring day, the almond trees were in bloom, the flowers were out and everywhere there was the stench of the dead, the thick smell of blood, and the terrible odor of the corpses burning in the quarry."[50]
Yair Tsaban's eyewitness account: Yair Tsaban was one of several youths in the burial team at Deir Yassin 12 April. He reported:-
"What we saw were [dead] women, young children, and old men. What shocked us was at least two or three cases of old men dressed in women's clothes. I remember entering the living room of a certain house. In the far corner was a small woman with her back towards the door, sitting dead. When we reached the body we saw an old man with a beard. My conclusion was that what happened in the village so terrorized these old men that they knew being old men would not save them. They hoped that if they were seen as old women that would save them."[51]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
 
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Read my post, no read both my posts. I said "IN THIS WAY" And to be honest, if the idiots want to use human shields then they deserve it. :rolleyes:
Oh and what is the similarity between terrorists being killed by Israelis and a mother, child and father being attacked at a religious centre? Heaven forbid the Jews attack a Mosque.

He's making a comparison, where both kill innocent people who didn't deserve it. Of course people who are only interested in one side of the story would miss that.
 
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Huh?

And they are more special than the 100 and something other people :(?

195 people have been killed and 295 wounded, before just siding with you the groups did attack hotels and random people in the street and a jewish centre.

Its tragic but i am somewhat confused when news reports are predominately about the 6 jews killed & the resultant loss and little reports/articles concern 'other' victims and the impact on them.

btw i've been wondering lately, with the elections coming up, 2010 etc how prepared is SA really? While we have not had anything major happen in Sa being carried out to completion, you never know..
 

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I dont know why these 'intelligence agencies' dont go public with this information. It's not much good to go "I told you so" after the event has taken place.

The most obvious reason is also the same reason why the Allies often
failed to act on intelligence gained from cracking the German ENIGMA
code during WW2. If you give away the information, your enemy knows that you know what they're planning and will know that there is either an informant or their communications are compromised (eg. phones being tapped or cellular calls intercepted).
Part of being an intelligent service is doing your spying in a clandestine manner, so that the enemy doesn't know they're
compromised. It also often takes years and lots of $$$ to place an informant or follow a terrorist cell or their handlers.
 
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