Internal CDC document warns delta variant more infectious, can spread among vaccinated people - report

Swa

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Not sure where you're getting that info from, e.g. Here testing is pretty mandatory and they do a few hundred thousand tests a day.
You can pretty well tell if rate has reduced by doing contact tracing.

You don't seem to understand what you're talking about, rather stop posting in these threads.
I don't know where your "here" is but in most places there has not been a reduction in transmission. The data simply doesn't support that the vaccines are reducing transmission as everywhere that society is opening there's an increase in cases. There hasn't really been a time since this started where society has been fully open without some restrictions or measures in place so we have no idea how it spreads naturally and hence no base for comparison.

For some reason you are also taking up the antagonism against those who don't toe official party line. WTF is wrong with you people?
 

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You're an actual lunatic, you know that? That or the biggest troll on the internet. one of the two.

Perhaps you cannot read with comprehension. See my comment again. I am not interested in communist, socialist and left-wing propaganda.
 

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Question is more along the lines of, if everyone gets vaccine, let everyone interact with each other since a vast majority will not get severe/hospital symptoms, let it go through the population, and life keeps going.
If you don't vaccinate, will be a lot more ending up in hospital.

So far all the threads that keep getting posted by rvZA and his ilk are all how terrible the mRNA vaccines are etc., how their efficacy is terrible, how Israel is an example of how bad it is, meanwhile ignoring the fact that few people who are vaccinated are actually getting ill, and a handful are actually dying after vaccination, which is the main purpose of the vaccine (and yes, it does reduce transmission as well).
Israel is not an example of how bad it is, Israel is an example of how booster shots will be needed for vaccines that WORK, but slightly less due to the Delta strain. This is the first global use of mRNA for a pandemic - i think its been a success. Is it perfect? No, but that was never its aim imho.
Look at countries who refuse to believe COVID-19 is real and/or vaccines are needed and you have your answer. Slightly elevated deaths in Israel vs carnage in those countries.
 

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Israel is not an example of how bad it is, Israel is an example of how booster shots will be needed for vaccines that WORK, but slightly less due to the Delta strain. This is the first global use of mRNA for a pandemic - i think its been a success. Is it perfect? No, but that was never its aim imho.
Look at countries who refuse to believe COVID-19 is real and/or vaccines are needed and you have your answer. Slightly elevated deaths in Israel vs carnage in those countries.

I disagree. You don't need everyone to have booster shots for 3 deaths a day. That's no longer a public health crisis.
Sure, make them available for those who want them, but the vaccines are working as they should. Now's the time to lift the restrictions.
 
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Why does it always seem the anti-vaxxers aren't sending their best and brightest to these things?

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I disagree. You don't need everyone to have booster shots for 3 deaths a day. That's no longer a public health crisis.
Sure, make them available for those who want them, but the vaccines are working as they should. Now's the time to lift the restrictions.
I mean in response to saying they don't work at all. I agree, they are working.
 

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Just look at the dates on the graphs and cases vs deaths at each point in time. Compare cases and deaths now vs previous waves. The situation looks way better than the previous waves.
It's the start of something. The tendency is up.
 

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It's the start of something. The tendency is up.

Just look a the graphs man. In previous waves when the case levels were similar, the deaths were ranging from 8 to 25 per day. It's not about whether it's increasing. It's about how someone can deduce that 4 deaths is worse than 8 to 25 per day and then make a whole thread about how the sky is falling and that vaccines no longer work when the data says the opposite.
 

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Swa

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Just look at the dates on the graphs and cases vs deaths at each point in time. Compare cases and deaths now vs previous waves. The situation looks way better than the previous waves.
That's not the point. The cases are increasing. Just over 15 months ago we were waiting in dreaded anticipation for our first Covid death and look where we are now. Anyone saying the vaccines are working as they should hasn't looked at the data and the original claims that need to be satisfied for them to be a success.
 

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That's not the point. The cases are increasing. Just over 15 months ago we were waiting in dreaded anticipation for our first Covid death and look where we are now. Anyone saying the vaccines are working as they should hasn't looked at the data and the original claims that need to be satisfied for them to be a success.
Anyone who thought the vaccine would instantly kill covid as it enters the body for the rest of a persons life doesn't understand how the immune system works.

We've been over this many times.
 

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Anyone who thought the vaccine would instantly kill covid as it enters the body for the rest of a persons life doesn't understand how the immune system works.

We've been over this many times.
Yes we have and that has nothing to do with the initial expectations.
 

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Anyone who thought the vaccine would instantly kill covid as it enters the body for the rest of a persons life doesn't understand how the immune system works.

We've been over this many times.
The vaccine does stop you from getting Covid, but only while antibodies are in your system. After that your body has to create new antibodies when it gets infected.

Yip, same as the long term effects of any vaccine ever created. Immunity.

 

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Anyone who thought the vaccine would instantly kill covid as it enters the body for the rest of a persons life doesn't understand how the immune system works.

We've been over this many times.
David Icke said the reptilians are afraid of the vaccine
 
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