Internal CDC document warns delta variant more infectious, can spread among vaccinated people - report

buka001

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You know Israel was ahead of almost everybody when it comes to vaccination? Now go sit down again.
Yes and ? They had 4 deaths yesterday. Pretty successful considering the hundreds of deaths per day when they were unvaccinated.
 

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Ah yes, them still having their youth not vaccinated:
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And that they stopped social distancing measures, and that we're talking about people either unvaccinated or over 60.

Who would have guessed when they said 90%+ that they didn't mean 100%.

I'm really seeing that huge uptick in intensive care:
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Oh and note the not 100% vaccination rate:
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And look, the stats changed from one day to the next, so they're still being reported on:
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No one ever said the vaccine was 100% effective, just that your chance of severe illness is substantially reduced, long-term effects reduced, and chance of death substantially reduced.
But of course, you like knocking the vaccine permanently because not 100% effective, Israel is of course the greatest example as they managed a near 80% vaccination rate, yet let's not take into account that there are other health problems, large population of <18 that actually is now statistically significant as the older age groups are vaccinated.

Nice read in regards to UK: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/youth-delta-variant-behind-uk-covid-surge
And: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus-idUSL2N2OJ0HW


These few sentences says it all but prepare for the actual data to be ignored by OP and his gang.

Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60, Channel 12 news reported Sunday, citing Health Ministry figures.

According to the report, 24 of those in serious condition are unvaccinated, while 37 are fully vaccinated. The lone seriously ill fully vaccinated person under 60 was in the 50-59 age group.


No fully vaccinated individuals under age 50 were in serious condition.

Meanwhile, among the unvaccinated, 14 people under age 50 were in serious condition, two of whom were younger than 40.


And before someone says "but look 37 people who are fully vaccinated are in serious condition", look at the underlying sample size first. Over 85% of adults have been fully vaccinated in Israel. So the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated is about 6 to 1. So when comparing the 37 to the 24, you need to multiply the 24 by 6 = 144. So the real comparison is 37 vaccinated seriously ill vs 144 unvaccinated seriously ill and it seems to be only older people over 60 with the vaccine who can get seriously ill. If this is not proof that vaccines are working really well then I don't know what else is.
 
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So where we were 16 months ago?
Well you got to be really specific, it wasn’t a long time ago, I remember.

We only got our first case in March 2020.
Remember it was a hoax and mask wearing was being politically correct?
 

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Well you got to be really specific, it wasn’t a long time ago, I remember.

We only got our first case in March 2020.
Remember it was a hoax and mask wearing was being politically correct?
Who said it was a hoax?
 

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Pfizer's own 6 month study showing no difference in preventing death between vaxxed vs unvaxxed (or rather, no real risk of death either way, hence no significant deaths either way)



From the pdf. Didn't watch the video:

Background: BNT162b2 is a lipid nanoparticle-formulated, nucleoside-modified RNA vaccine encoding a prefusion-stabilized, membrane-anchored SARS-CoV-2 full-length spike protein. BNT162b2 is highly efficacious against COVID-19 and is currently authorized for emergency use or conditional approval worldwide. At the time of authorization, data beyond 2 months postvaccination were unavailable.

Methods: In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy study, 44,165 ≥16-year-old participants and 2,264 12-15-year-old participants were randomized to receive 2 doses, 21 days apart, of 30 µg BNT162b2 or placebo. Study endpoints reported here are vaccine efficacy (VE) against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and safety data, both up to 6 months post-vaccination.

Results: BNT162b2 continued to be safe and well tolerated. Few participants had adverse events leading to study withdrawal. VE against COVID-19 was 91% (95% CI 89.0‒93.2) through up to 6 months of follow-up, among evaluable participants and irrespective of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. VE of 86%‒100% was seen across countries and in populations with diverse characteristics of age, sex, race/ethnicity, and COVID-19 risk factors in participants without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. VE against severe disease was 97% (95% CI 80.3‒ 99.9). In South Africa, where the SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern, B.1.351 (beta), was predominant, 100% (95% CI 53.5, 100.0) VE was observed.

Conclusion: With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728)
 
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From the pdf. Didn't watch the video:
I'd recommend watching the video or reading the entire thing, that summary is inaccurate / misleading:

- participants were not tested for covid prior, so they actually don't know who already had covid or not
- hence efficacy can't be attributed to the vaccine or the potential previous infection recovery
- what is clear though is people died in similar numbers whether vaccinated or not
 

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I'd recommend watching the video or reading the entire thing, that summary is inaccurate / misleading:

- participants were not tested for covid prior, so they actually don't know who already had covid or not
- hence efficacy can't be attributed to the vaccine or the potential previous infection recovery
- what is clear though is people died in similar numbers whether vaccinated or not

I skimmed through the video and data. Death is not the only thing that we should be concerned about. Serious illness and hospitalization is also a large concern, if not larger. The main issues seems to be:

- they didn't test a representative portion of the population. Not enough people with comorbidities. I'd expect this to make the placebo group a lot worse with more deaths and more serious illness if there were more unhealthy people in the trials. But we don't know with the data in the trials. Also seems like they tested the vaccines on mainly a younger population. So once again, the death figures are going to be so low for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, that comparing them doesn't mean anything (as young people with Covid rarely die anyway).

- more people got seriously ill with 1 or more covid symptoms in the placebo (which is where the 97% efficacy comes from) but they didn't mention how many people in either group were hospitalized. Though if you had one of those symptoms, you were likely to be hospitalized.
 
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