International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[semaphore]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1240740851346747396

Well, she Isn’t known for her intellectual prowess.

 

[semaphore]

My numbers? I don't keep a record, but the WHO and numerous other national and international experts do.

For H1N1 in 2009/10, Wikipedia reports:

"It is estimated that 11–21% of the global population at the time — or around 700 million–1.4 billion people (out of a total of 6.8 billion) — contracted the illness – more than the number of people infected by the Spanish flu pandemic, with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities."

As to expert predictions vs actual reality, the Wikipedia entry for H5N1 has this rather revealing bit (underline mine):

"In 2003, world-renowned virologist Robert G. Webster published an article titled "The world is teetering on the edge of a pandemic that could kill a large fraction of the human population" in American Scientist. He called for adequate resources to fight what he sees as a major world threat to possibly billions of lives. On September 29, 2005, David Nabarro, the newly appointed Senior United Nations System Coordinator for Avian and Human Influenza, warned the world that an outbreak of avian influenza could kill anywhere between 5 million and 150 million people."

Needless to say, this was so far off the mark that these people should be laughed out of polite company.

While you make the claim the flu is worse, you don’t even know if you had covid-19, or just regular flu. So you are not really equipped to make snap judgements as you have.

 

[Arthur]

While you make the claim the flu is worse, you don’t even know if you had covid-19, or just regular flu. So you are not really equipped to make snap judgements as you have.

What a pathetically ridiculous statement. Shows you know nothing about the symptom spread and spectrum of either flu or Covid-19. Evidence is strong that more than half of Covid-19 infected show zero to mild symptoms.

 

[Temujin]

Optimistic estimates are 12 months from now, because the person who took the vaccine needs to be monitored for a sufficiently long period of time to gauge side effects and lethality. Then there's still the human trials phase to determine dosage, which can be six months out of that 12.

And then there's production. Will it be an open source drug? That's the only way we can distribute enough globally before the second wave gains momentum.

Yeah, I get that, they were talking about losartan(chloroquine) which has already been around for decades and looks like it blocks and prevents it from binding or something, so, basically we already know normal side effects, now just need to test if any additional in covid-19 patients(atleast thats what I got from it), so, 99% of all the fda red tape is already done as its old drug, just an additional new use for it hence 'fast tracked'(if that makes sense).. vaccine yes will still take some time but will be good if we have something temporary to treat it

Chloroquine, an old malaria drug, may help treat novel coronavirus, doctors say

According to early research, an old malaria drug called chloroquine might also work for the new coronavirus.

abcnews.go.com

 

[flippakitten]

The sooner we get this over and done the better!!!

This is not the end of the F end world!

People are losing their mind over pity kak again.

Blame the social media and reporters for blowing it out of proportion again. Cancer and aids have killed more people. Hope you guys just do not catch the flu that might be even worse!

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We been over this about 2000 times already and in not even joking. Suggest you start reading the 10000+ previous posts.

Summary a lot of people will die, we need to keep that number as low as possible.

 

[semaphore]

What a pathetically ridiculous statement. Shows you know nothing about the symptom spread and spectrum of either flu or Covid-19.

So you’re saying all experts in the field virologists, epidemiologists are just full of hot air ? They have come out and said this is worse than flu, shown spread models, but I mean clearly you’re an authority on the topic.

 

[AirWolf]

USA moving up to 6th so far...

 

[Markd]

Yeah, I get that, they were talking about losartan(chloroquine) which has already been around for decades and looks like it blocks and prevents it from binding or something, so, basically we already know normal side effects, now just need to test if any additional in covid-19 patients(atleast thats what I got from it), so, 99% of all the fda red tape is already done as its old drug, just an additional new use for it hence 'fast tracked'(if that makes sense).. vaccine yes will still take some time but will be good if we have something temporary to treat it

Chloroquine, an old malaria drug, may help treat novel coronavirus, doctors say

According to early research, an old malaria drug called chloroquine might also work for the new coronavirus.

abcnews.go.com

I second this. With existing drugs they will start pumping that stuff out quickly. I think existing drugs would be more a "treatment" than a vaccine. A proper vaccine will take a bit longer to work out - but doctors are already trying all sorts of stuff in combination in different parts of the world to treat the virus.

 

[Arthur]

So you’re saying all experts in the field virologists, epidemiologists are just full of hot air ? They have come out and said this is worse than flu, shown spread models, but I mean clearly you’re an authority on the topic.

The record of past predictions of global calamity vs actual reality is clear for anyone who bothers to check. It's shocking. $25 trillion wiped out and the livelihoods of hundreds of millions deeply compromised for less deaths so far than a fortnight of ordinary seasonal flu.

You don't need to be an epidemiologist to see that's insane.

 

[AirWolf]

10k deaths...

 

[semaphore]

The record of past predictions of global calamity vs actual reality is clear for anyone who bothers to check. It's shocking. $25 trillion wiped out and the livelihoods of hundreds of millions deeply compromised for less deaths so far than a fortnight of ordinary seasonal flu. It's insane.

We will revisit this quote in a few months to see how things have changed, what the death toll is etc.

 

[Arthur]

We will revisit this quote in a few months to see how things have changed, what the death toll is etc.

Indeed. Once global Covid-19 deaths reach those of a bad flu year (around 650 000) I'll gladly repent.

For now, total global Covid-19 deaths are less than half of this season's ordinary flu deaths (22 000) in just the United States which has but <5% of global population.

 

[RedViking]

How many people died of flu in the last 3 weeks?

 

[Arthur]

How many people died of flu in the last 3 weeks?

For the USA, check the CDC site. A few days ago they published their weekly flu report. Easily found with your fave search engine.

 

[RedViking]

For the USA, check the CDC site. A few days ago they published their weekly flu report. Easily found with your fave search engine.

I don't get any result on ask.com. You post it for me now.

 

[flippakitten]

Indeed. Once global Covid-19 deaths reach those of a bad flu year (around 650 000) I'll gladly repent.

For now, total global Covid-19 deaths are less than half of this season's ordinary flu deaths (22 000) in just the United States which has but 6% of global population.

Yes, flu collapses health care systems around the world every year requiring the army to remove the overflowing bodies. The US sends a thousand bed military hospital ship to NY every year, they build a temporary MORGUE in London every year...

Do you realise how ignorant you sound right now.

 

[Arthur]

I don't get any result on ask.com. You post it for me now.

How on earth do you survive not being able to find basic info?

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report | CDC

Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.

www.cdc.gov

Deaths this flu season: 22 000. 144 children.

 

[Temujin]

How many people died of flu in the last 3 weeks?

Don't see a 'weekly' report, but browsing around, 22k flu deaths in US from october 1 to march 1, thats an average of 956 a week, call it 2868 flu deaths in last 3 weeks in US

 

[Arthur]

Yes, flu collapses health care systems around the world every year requiring the army to remove the overflowing bodies. The US sends a thousand breed military hospital to NY every year, they build a temporary MORGUE in London every year...

Do you realise how ignorant you sound right now.

Covid-19 is not collapsing the system or calling out the national guard. The panic is doing it. Very different.

You must be really ignorant to think the paltry number of actual cases is affecting any 1st world healthcare system, or even SA. Get a grip and see the wood for the trees.

Scroll down for country figures.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,099,447 Cases and 2,974,469 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[semaphore]

Covid-19 is not collapsing the system or calling out the national guard. The panic is doing it. Very different.

You must be really ignorant to think the paltry number of actual cases is affecting any 1st world healthcare system, or even SA. Get a grip and see the wood for the trees.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,099,447 Cases and 2,974,469 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I guess all the reports from Italy is fake news right ?