International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

Hamish McPanji

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I don't think an country has more ICU beds per capita than Germany, maybe the Asian countries but not sure. I'd still expect less deaths in Germany because they seem to be more prepared.
Germany’s virus response shines unforgiving light on Britain

Johnson’s shifting strategy has left UK behind on testing, critical care beds and ventilators




FT Montage/Getty/PA

April 3, 2020 6:15 pm by FT reporters

Even through this dark month of unimaginable shocks, one thing is still guaranteed to make British ministers and officials bristle: mentioning the Germans. “Arrgh,” sighed one senior adviser, stung by unflattering comparisons.

With the pandemic bearing down, Boris Johnson on March 17 called on Britain’s captains of industry to start building ventilators to supplement the country’s stock of 8,000, lightheartedly dubbing the scheme “Operation Last Gasp”.

But almost a week before the prime minister spoke, Germany had ordered 10,000 from an established manufacturer, adding to its existing 20,000 machines. This week Germany had more than twice as many critical care beds vacant — around 15,000 to 20,000 — as England has in its system overall.
Financial Times: Germany’s virus response shines unforgiving light on Britain.

Full article is worth a read.

Key takeaways :

The Germans know a schitstorm is coming, but have better prepared for it, and by testing and isolating have slowed it down to give themselves more time.

The herd immunity that the UK was depending on was an option, but they didn't bother putting the things in place for that strategy

UK decision making was far too slow, and so when measures are being put in places, at all stages it was too slow
 

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Cage Rattler

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Boris Johnson's chief adviser on the coronavirus has warned that Britain might still have to adopt the controversial herd immunity policy to defeat the pandemic.

Professor Graham Medley, the government's chief pandemic modeller, said lockdown measures have pushed the UK 'into a corner', with no way of lifting restrictions while keeping the virus under control.

Now, he has suggested that the country consider letting people catch coronavirus to build up resistance.

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Daruk

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Boris Johnson's chief adviser on the coronavirus has warned that Britain might still have to adopt the controversial herd immunity policy to defeat the pandemic.

Professor Graham Medley, the government's chief pandemic modeller, said lockdown measures have pushed the UK 'into a corner', with no way of lifting restrictions while keeping the virus under control.

Now, he has suggested that the country consider letting people catch coronavirus to build up resistance.

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This is what I think. At least if a vaccine is not available in the next 3 months. We can't afford to not work as a nation.
 

skimread

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Today’s numbers are another bad one for US and France..
Just bad? Those look like 1 day records for USA, France and Spain. Italy's death is the usual 700 odd.

That is a massive jump for France in the number of new infections and they now surpass China as well.
At the rate things going, China the place where the virus originates from could be the bottom of the list of total infected. That will give plenty of ammo to conspiracy theorists.
 

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Just bad? Those look like 1 day records for USA, France and Spain. Italy's death is the usual 700 odd.

That is a massive jump for France in the number of new infections and they now surpass China as well.
At the rate things going, China the place where the virus originates from could be the bottom of the list of total infected. That will give plenty of ammo to conspiracy theorists.
The reason why there has been a jump in France's numbers

On April 2, France reported 884 additional deaths that have occurred in nursing homes over the past days and weeks [source]. The French Government did not include these deaths in their official count, as their count only takes into consideration deaths of hospitalized patients. Following international standards of correct inclusion, our statistics will include these deaths, and will add them to the April 2, 2020 count following the attribution criteria of date of report.
 

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The reason why there has been a jump in France's numbers
Why is there such a massive jump in France's new number of infected then? Do the nursing homes deaths turn into infected zombies afterwards? :ROFL:


If they had zero infections the number of infected they added in 1 day alone would put them 9th in the all time list of total infections. That is how big a jump they had.
 

Chris_the_Brit

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Why is there such a massive jump in France's new number of infected then? Do the nursing homes deaths turn into infected zombies afterwards? :ROFL:


If they had zero infections the number of infected they added in 1 day alone would put them 9th in the all time list of total infections. That is how big a jump they had.
French police have also been told not to police the Muslim immigrant areas of Paris for fear of stoking riots and being attacked.
 

maumau

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Just bad? Those look like 1 day records for USA, France and Spain. Italy's death is the usual 700 odd.

That is a massive jump for France in the number of new infections and they now surpass China as well.
At the rate things going, China the place where the virus originates from could be the bottom of the list of total infected. That will give plenty of ammo to conspiracy theorists.
Except the vid in post #4021 says China has massively under reported deaths.
 
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