International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[Temujin]

It will be the darkest day for the USA and France. The USA will report over 2000 deaths.

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On positive side, good to see france getting the testing going

 

[Napalm]

It is heartbreaking

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,099,447 Cases and 2,974,469 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Very high death rates.

For the most part South Africa is listening to the rules, staying home and doing what is needed to beat this virus.

Then there's that 20% that i'm not happy with... what i'm seeing on news and media. Certain South Africans are making joke of it, doing what they please. They dislike the rules of being kept indoors and want to gallivant outside and drink and goto family or have a braai with friends etc

They are think only about the right now. Not about the rest of south africa and our future. We need to bring this number down to 0. The virus can only spread if we spread it.. if people stay at home, keep safe and sanitize what needs to be sanitized. Keep hands clean and surfaces. This virus will die out.

Instead like other countrys. People don't listen, they go stand in massive long queue's. They party and drink and don't care or laugh it off. Till the popo hits the fan. Too many infections to stop the train.

That's when things go South.... it's like Italy / Spain , where it's all out of control.
So many people infected, the chance of you being infected just goes up as more people have it.

 

[Fulcrum29]

No, you're not. Where did you see that? They only want you to drive for essential reasons.

The only reason I know about it is that I had a discussion with someone in regard to parenting plans and that person told me how it is applied in two other countries, both which where lockdowns are unprecedented. Obviously New Zealand is the one country we talked about, anyway I had to Google this,

Guidance for managing shared parenting during COVID-19 traffic light settings | New Zealand Ministry of Justice

Information and guidance for shared parenting arrangements during COVID-19.

www.justice.govt.nz

...

I share care with a parent who lives near me, should we continue with the parenting arrangements?

Yes, shared care arrangements should continue where the parents live near to each other.

Travel between homes needs to be consistent with Ministry of Health guidance (external link).

Children can continue to move between two homes, unless:

• it is more than one hour's drive (one way) between homes

...

I share care with a parent who is in another area, can we continue with this arrangement?

Children should not be moved long distances ie. more than an hour or so. Within this distance shared care arrangements can continue, providing they can be done within COVID-19 guidelines on physical distancing and meet all the other health conditions (see below).

though I haven't had an in-depth look at the guidelines per se other than what I read on the news in regard to New Zealand, and whether this is only applicable to parenting plans or how it is being interpreted through the respective guidelines.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

France is currently 6th for per capita deaths.

This site also recently added the numbers of tests each country has been doing

Coronavirus Update (Live): 138,099,447 Cases and 2,974,469 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Sorry I meant to be more precise - the most per capita today. However, they are adding deaths from care homes to the hospital totals which I'm guessing many countries aren't.

France has done a quarter of Germany,'s testing yet has more cases. Good grief.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

They could have applied for mail in ballots.

Republicans in Wisconsin are so hostile to free and fair elections it's unbelievable.

Wisconsin voters go to the polls in controversial election

Presidential and local elections proceed after governor tried to cancel in-person voting due to coronavirus, and was overruled by state supreme court

www.theguardian.com

There is such a severe shortage of poll workers that Evers asked the national guard to step in.

Last week, 111 jurisdictions reported not having enough poll workers to staff even one voting location. Jurisdictions are significantly limiting where people can vote. Milwaukee, which usually has 180 poll sites, will now have just five. Long lines formed on Tuesday at polling locations after polls opened, prompting fears that the election could represent a serious public health risk in the face of the virus.

Republicans, who have resisted calls to mail a ballot to every voter and ease restrictions on mail-in voting, challenged the order in the state supreme court, where conservatives hold a majority. The court overruled Evers and ordered the election to move forward.

Robin Vos, the Republican speaker of the Wisconsin assembly, served as a poll worker on Tuesday and told people it was “incredibly safe to go out”. Vos made the comments dressed head-to-toe in protective gear, undermining his message.

There is no way this election can have any legitimacy. They're exacerbating a public health crisis and using it to bolster their electoral prospects, because they know they can't win elections that aren't absurdly gerrymandered and relies on making it as hard as possible for people to vote, especially in cities where they don't have any support.

 

[Temujin]

This is revisionism. You're overstating what they did. They had 1 tweet that said there wasn't any evidence at that stage of human transmission. Within a week there was public information released by China indicating there was.

No, its fact, and you're understating it. It was 1 tweet yes, and then repeated in every news report covering the virus on the planet, all media, online, radio, tv, everywhere
Thats just media who pick up on it. How many gov 'experts' in contact with WHO were told the same thing directly by WHO and passed that on to their governments for example?
Nothing overstated or revisionist about it. Instead of investigating wtf was going on in china, they just repeat ccp garbage for the world to hear.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The only reason I know about it is that I had a discussion with someone in regard to parenting plans and that person told me how it is applied in two other countries, both which where lockdowns are unprecedented. Obviously New Zealand is the one country we talked about, anyway I had to Google this,

Guidance for managing shared parenting during COVID-19 traffic light settings | New Zealand Ministry of Justice

Information and guidance for shared parenting arrangements during COVID-19.

www.justice.govt.nz

though I haven't had an in-depth look at the guidelines per se other than what I read on the news in regard to New Zealand, and whether this is only applicable to parenting plans or how it is being interpreted through the respective guidelines.

Yeah, I think it is. That's a very specific scenario where it's allowed as it falls under 'essential'. Not general driving around.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

UK rejects Trump's offer to help with Boris Johnson's coronavirus treatment

"Any treatment he receives is a matter for his doctors," the prime minister's spokesman said Tuesday after President Donald Trump reached out.

www.businessinsider.com

Hah.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Good news out of Germany.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Long voting queues in Wisconsin, its a choice between health and exercising the fundamental right to vote.

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Background on the photo:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1247547812738367491

 

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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/maps-visuals

Some nice visual links to realtime sats

 

[dualmeister]

USA hits 400 000 cases.

 

[Polymathic]

 

[Lupus]

Looking at the testing done around the world and the results.
Americans 20% are positive, Spain almost 40%, Italy at 18%, Germany 11%, Russia 0.9%, SA 3%

So it looks like Spain only tests those that possibly have the infection, America still seems like that as well, Italy seems to have spread their testing out a bit, Russia apparently 755 000 tests with only 0.9% actually testing positive? SA 3% isn't bad actually only 0.5% higher than New Zealand, but New Zealand is 12 times smaller than us population wise as well.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

This is revisionism. You're overstating what they did. They had 1 tweet that said there wasn't any evidence at that stage of human transmission. Within a week there was public information released by China indicating there was.

yeah man, it was only like 1 tweet ...

23 Jan:

the extent of human-to-human transmission is still not clear.

Several members considered that it is still too early to declare a PHEIC

Statement on the meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 (n-CoV) on 23 January 2020

The meeting of the Emergency Committee convened by the WHO Director-General under the International Health Regulations (IHR) (2005) regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus 2019 in the People’s Republic of China, with exportations currently reported in the Republic of Korea, Japan, Thailand...

www.who.int

30 Jan:

The Committee does not recommend any travel or trade restriction based on the current information available

Statement on the second meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

Following the advice of the Emergency Committee today, WHO Director-General has declared the outbreak of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. In China, more than 7700 cases have been confirmed, and 170 people have died. There are 82 additional cases...

www.who.int

27 Feb:

Travel restrictions going beyond these may cause unnecessary interference with international traffic, including negative repercussions on the tourism sector

A Joint Statement on Tourism and COVID-19 - UNWTO and WHO Call for Responsibility and Coordination

As the current outbreak of the Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) continues to develop, the World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) are committed to working together in guiding the travel and tourism sectors’ response to COVID-19.On 30 January 2020, the...

www.who.int

29 Mar:

the WHO official who headed the joint international mission to China, did not answer a question on Taiwan’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak

Information sharing on COVID-19

WHO’s focus at all times is to ensure that all areas of the globe have the information they need to manage the health of their people. In a recent interview, the WHO official who headed the joint international mission to China, did not answer a question on Taiwan’s response to the COVID-19...

www.who.int

on the use of masks:

Individuals without respiratory symptoms should: ...
- a medical mask is not required, as no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect non-sick persons

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/330987/WHO-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.1-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[Gordon_R]

Looking at the testing done around the world and the results.
Americans 20% are positive, Spain almost 40%, Italy at 18%, Germany 11%, Russia 0.9%, SA 3%

So it looks like Spain only tests those that possibly have the infection, America still seems like that as well, Italy seems to have spread their testing out a bit, Russia apparently 755 000 tests with only 0.9% actually testing positive? SA 3% isn't bad actually only 0.5% higher than New Zealand, but New Zealand is 12 times smaller than us population wise as well.

As I hinted in another post, the population sample depends to a large extent what criteria are used:
1. People who arrive at hospital in a very sick condition, are likely to be around 40% positive.
2. Contact tracing is likely to produce around 1 in 25 (4%) positive tests.
3. Travellers arriving from an infected country could be anywhere in between.
4. Random population sampling is rarely done, and would give the lowest figures (below 1% in many countries).

No country has done widespread random population sampling, except (on a small scale) in Iceland for research purposes. It is simply too expensive, and not cost effective.

The actual infection rates in most countries are completely unknown, but can be quite high in severe outbreaks (20-30%), as a fraction of the economically active population (not those isolated in old age homes).

 

[Lupus]

As I hinted in another post, the population sample depends to a large extent what criteria are used:
1. People who arrive at hospital in a very sick condition, are likely to be around 40% positive.
2. Contact tracing is likely to produce around 1 in 25 (4%) positive tests.
3. Travellers arriving from an infected country could be anywhere in between.
4. Random population sampling is rarely done, and would give the lowest figures (below 1% in many countries).

No country has done widespread random population sampling, except (on a small scale) in Iceland for research purposes. It is simply too expensive, and not cost effective.

Looking at the testing done, Russia is probably one of the few who've done random population sampling than as they are one of the few under 1%

 

[Gordon_R]

Looking at the testing done, Russia is probably one of the few who've done random population sampling than as they are one of the few under 1%

Or they have tested Putin's close circle many times! (joke)

 

[Lupus]

Or they have tested Putin many times! (joke)

Possibly ;-) and he was positive 7000 times but the last 748 000 times he wasn't

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

No country has done widespread random population sampling, except (on a small scale) in Iceland for research purposes

and yet over 30 countries have tested in excess of 1% of their entire population ... ZA is at 0.1%

hell the only developed country that has tested as little or less than us in %-of-population terms is Japan