International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[Willie Trombone]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on that data?

Do obvious tongue in cheek comments need a new font?

 

[dualmeister]

 

[Jings]

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Cold, dry weather is not a perquisite for fast spreading of Covid-19. Who would have thought.

 

[RonSwanson]

Limpopo grows it abundantly as is used to treat TB in traditional healing. Purchased organic dried leaves for tea some months from Amazon, as yes, it wasn't cheap.

(PDF) Medicinal Plants Used for the Treatment of Tuberculosis by Bapedi Traditional Healers in Three Districts of the Limpopo Province, South Africa

PDF | The present study was aimed at documenting medicinal plants used for the treatment of tuberculosis (TB) by the Bapedi traditional healers in three... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

Edit: on the other hand you only need one teaspoon per serving, once a day, so it does go a long way.
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Can one smoke it?

 

[Jings]

Can one smoke it?

Yes, it's common in some cultures where papaya grows abundantly.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Your inability to read isn't my problem

ooooh, burn!

except, you quote a tweet where they correct a prior incorrect call, if an international organization whose sole focus is world health and is funded to the tone of hundreds of millions of dollars every year only has to meet the standard of eventually saying the correct thing, but only once it is too late to make good use of that information ...

then yeah sure, the WHO is doing great! they've eventually corrected almost all of their incorrect calls after it was already too late to use the information, well done WHO!

mind you they have not yet corrected their incorrect guidance on masks, I'm sure once we're all dead they'll correct that one too and our corpses can revel in the insight of the WHO

 

[Verde]

To 8 April
Diamond shapes represent lockdown dates.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Wow, 10 000 recoveries (over 2 days though) in Germany

 

[Archer]

No, I won't grace you. But in the preceeding years they laid of something like 75,000 nursing staff to cut costs.

Well I hope you can read some of those fancy European languages because your statement is false. Oopsie
TLDR summary (google translate copy paste since I'm lazy)

Conclusion The number of 75,000 care workers who were "fired" by the cabinet in "the last few years", as Geert Wilders claims, is not correct. It is a dated number that applied to the years 2012-2015, and then only partially. Since 2016, the number of new health care workers has risen considerably, by more than 100,000. We judge the statement as false.

NRC Checkt: ‘Kabinet heeft de afgelopen jaren 75.000 zorgmedewerkers ontslagen’

Dat zei PVV-leider Geert Wilders bij de coronadebatten in de Tweede Kamer.

www.nrc.nl

 

[buka001]

Well I hope you can read some of those fancy European languages because your statement is false. Oopsie
TLDR summary (google translate copy paste since I'm lazy)

NRC Checkt: ‘Kabinet heeft de afgelopen jaren 75.000 zorgmedewerkers ontslagen’

Dat zei PVV-leider Geert Wilders bij de coronadebatten in de Tweede Kamer.

www.nrc.nl

Oh gees if I had known it was Wilders who claimed this I would have laughed it off even louder when I first saw the dubious claim.

 

[Mirai]

Well I hope you can read some of those fancy European languages because your statement is false. Oopsie
TLDR summary (google translate copy paste since I'm lazy)

NRC Checkt: ‘Kabinet heeft de afgelopen jaren 75.000 zorgmedewerkers ontslagen’

Dat zei PVV-leider Geert Wilders bij de coronadebatten in de Tweede Kamer.

www.nrc.nl

It is obvious this is a political issue in Holland and people will try to justify things in a partisan way. What the real truth when the media is biased to one or other side is not known.

It's more complex. You can fire maybe 60,000 people and then later replace them with less qualified or in different fields and so on on. It would be nice to have an objective source on this with a proper analysis. But if this gives your ego a little high more power to you although it's quit superficial and a deeper thinker would want independent analysis

As for google translate, you can't translate video reports. Duh.

 

[Mirai]

100,000 hospital workers to strike on November 20

On Wednesday, November 20th, hospital staff across the Netherlands will do the hospital variant of a strike - refuse to perform any of their non-emergency duties. This is the first national strike by hospital workers ever in the Netherlands, unions FNV, FBZ, NU'91 and CNV said, NOS reports.

nltimes.nl

Of course we know not all is well but Archer will say it's probably business as usual and nothing to see there folks, move along.

"
Ongoing negotiations between the four major medical trade unions and the government of the Netherlands have broken down, and the trade unions called for a first-ever hospital strike which took place on 20 November. During the strike, hospital staff continued to provide emergency medical care, cancer treatments, and operations on children. However, at 83 hospitals in the Netherlands, more than 200,000 health care professionals did not perform non-emergency duties.

A similar situation arose a few months ago. In July, many medical professionals participated in a labor slowdown, working “Sunday” shifts all week long. During that week, non-emergency operating rooms, nursing, and radiology departments had reduced staff or hours. It is estimated that the labor slowdown in July affected around 20,000 patients.

It’s no surprise that the unions and the government were unable to reach an agreement. In recent years, the government of the Netherlands has been striving to contain health care expenditures, which have ballooned to 80 billion euros a year. Hospitals are limited to a 1.7% annual increase in expenditures, and the most recent government agreement with health insurers calls for a 0% increase in expenditures in 2022."

Because Medvice was founded by doctors, we are deeply concerned about this breakdown in talks, and the potential impact for thousands of patients across the country. It’s clear that the rising costs of medical care must be controlled, but the government’s position of simply contractually limiting payouts to hospitals, healthcare workers, and insurance companies does not seem realistic or sustainable.

Anyhow, seems like things are not perfect. But FIRST STRIKE EVER?

Medvice | Slimme Medische Assistent | eHealth diensten voor de zorg

Medvice is een slimme medische assistent voor de zorg en is simpelweg het geavanceerdste, intelligentste pakket van eHealth-diensten en is ontwikkeld om de gezondheidszorg efficiënter, betaalbaarder en duurzamer te maken voor iedereen.

www.medvice.io

To be fair, it's not uncommon for health strikes to occur in Europe but first time ever... I don't know.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

 

[pinball wizard]

I am talking about your constant moaning and bitching. Whatever option the government had chosen you would still have found something to moan about.

Diddums. You're in crackdown. Make peace with it.

 

[Archer]

It is obvious this is a political issue in Holland and people will try to justify things in a partisan way. What the real truth when the media is biased to one or other side is not known.

It's more complex. You can fire maybe 60,000 people and then later replace them with less qualified or in different fields and so on on. It would be nice to have an objective source on this with a proper analysis. But if this gives your ego a little high more power to you although it's quit superficial and a deeper thinker would want independent analysis

As for google translate, you can't translate video reports. Duh.

Oh now it is a video report. Cool, is it in Dutch by any chance?
PS - you can google translate videos (since it can do realtime conversations). Oopsie

It's also funny how you want to talk about media bias when it says something you don't like, but I'm taking a leap here, your video also comes from some kind of media source?

 

[Archer]

100,000 hospital workers to strike on November 20

On Wednesday, November 20th, hospital staff across the Netherlands will do the hospital variant of a strike - refuse to perform any of their non-emergency duties. This is the first national strike by hospital workers ever in the Netherlands, unions FNV, FBZ, NU'91 and CNV said, NOS reports.

nltimes.nl

Of course we know not all is well but Archer will say it's probably business as usual and nothing to see there folks, move along.

Anyhow, seems like things are not perfect. But FIRST STRIKE EVER?

Medvice | Slimme Medische Assistent | eHealth diensten voor de zorg

Medvice is een slimme medische assistent voor de zorg en is simpelweg het geavanceerdste, intelligentste pakket van eHealth-diensten en is ontwikkeld om de gezondheidszorg efficiënter, betaalbaarder en duurzamer te maken voor iedereen.

www.medvice.io

To be fair, it's not uncommon for health strikes to occur in Europe but first time ever... I don't know.

When you start to lose your arguments, it's time to shift the goal posts! Is healthcare perfect here? No. Did I ever claim it to be? No. I only asked for a source about your claims since maybe I actually have a legit interest and am open to changing my opinion (based on real facts and not MyBB forum hearsay). Maybe I'm just genuinely interested, and that should be enough to simply copy paste the link of the video. But instead we've gone full crazy where it's now about my ego apparently. I mean really

 

[Mirai]

When you start to lose your arguments, it's time to shift the goal posts! Is healthcare perfect here? No. Did I ever claim it to be? No. I only asked for a source about your claims since maybe I actually have a legit interest and am open to changing my opinion (based on real facts and not MyBB forum hearsay). Maybe I'm just genuinely interested, and that should be enough to simply copy paste the link of the video. But instead we've gone full crazy where it's now about my ego apparently. I mean really

The idea was that they were being cheap. And it's not shifting the goal posts. It's trying to see what's going on and the idea was that the Dutch were becoming cheap on healthcare. It seems that you are the one with some sort of ego issues here getting personal.

It's you who is about 'losing arguments' and 'shifting goal posts'. Job cuts go with being austere and inadequate compensation and so on.

 

[Mirai]

It's also funny how you want to talk about media bias when it says something you don't like, but I'm taking a leap here, your video also comes from some kind of media source?

Nope.

 

[Temujin]

Hospitals in Sweden and France now stopped with hydroxychloroquine due to severe side effects. Yet Trump thinks people should just take it, not even wait for a prescription, because "what do they have to lose?".

French hospital stops hydroxychloroquine treatment for COVID-19 patient over major cardiac risk

The head of cardiology said they are now monitoring the ECG recordings of patients in the trial.

www.newsweek.com

one coronavirus patient

So one person, one, one of thousands/ten of thousands worldwide in covid 19 trial got a known side effect of a drug used by 10s of millions annually and it needed not only an article, but an orangemanbad comment to boot

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

ooooh, burn!

except, you quote a tweet where they correct a prior incorrect call, if an international organization whose sole focus is world health and is funded to the tone of hundreds of millions of dollars every year only has to meet the standard of eventually saying the correct thing, but only once it is too late to make good use of that information ...

then yeah sure, the WHO is doing great! they've eventually corrected almost all of their incorrect calls after it was already too late to use the information, well done WHO!

mind you they have not yet corrected their incorrect guidance on masks, I'm sure once we're all dead they'll correct that one too and our corpses can revel in the insight of the WHO

Also it just isn't one Tweet. Let's help @OrbitalDawn with some other WHO mishaps:

1) https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...-technical-briefing-on-2019-novel-coronavirus

... in relation to travel restrictions

Second, we reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions inconsistent with the International Health Regulations.

Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.

2) WHO DG, the corrupt Ethiopian bought by China, still insisted on February 28:

"Our greatest enemy right now is not the #coronavirus itself. It’s fear, rumours and stigma. And our greatest assets are facts, reason and solidarity. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1233445856428331009

3) https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...media-briefing-on-covid-19---27-february-2020

"That is one of the key messages from China. The evidence we have is that there does not appear to be widespread community transmission." (Note this was on 27 February)

4) WHO's delay in calling a pandemic ... etc.