International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

Status
Not open for further replies.
V

Verde

Expert Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2006
Messages
1,592
Rosaudio said:
It is interesting to have a case study such as Sweden. As they themeselves are syaing, nobody knows yet whether this strategy is the best one in the long term. Looking at deaths now you could easily say no, but you have to factor in other things such as mental health and economy - as mentioned in the article.

The only issue with the economy argument is that most other countries have locked down, which will always have an effect on Sweden economically regardless of thier approach.

The fact that Nowray and Finland are open to eachother but closed to Sweden is quite funny but sad at the same time.

Only time will tell.
Click to expand...

I don't think Sweden's response is that different to the rest. Their experience can definitely not be used as the "do nothing" baseline.
They had a lockdown, but it was more voluntary where their neighbour's lockdown was more enforced.
1592818928991.png
 
Lupus

Lupus

Honorary Master
Joined
Apr 25, 2006
Messages
50,976
MiW said:
I hope SA will never reach Sweden's levels of forced euthanasia for the elderly and not so fit of the population.
Click to expand...
Nope, goverment has decided that it would be the "working" class with HIV and TB.
 
R

Rosaudio

First Officer
Joined
Sep 24, 2008
Messages
22,123
MiW said:
SA will give oxygen to anyone needing it, and won't reject EMS , based on age and health.
Click to expand...

SA does not have unlimited resources though. There may come a point where difficult decisions have to be made, although I hope not.
 
M

MiW

Executive Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2009
Messages
9,313
Rosaudio said:
SA does not have unlimited resources though. There may come a point where difficult decisions have to be made, although I hope not.
Click to expand...
Absolutely , but Sweden Have the resources and chooses not to use them for the 'useless'.
 
P

pouroverguy

Expert Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2013
Messages
1,752
flippakitten said:
You queue and wait for the same amount of time as SA Gov hospitals.
Got a non life threating operation, 6 months wait.
Everything is rushed, so all your appointments are rushed.

It's ok to good but it's not medical aid level, not by a long shot.

If you want medical aid level in UK you pay for it, just like South Africa.
Click to expand...

Even Canada, that has an excellent healthcare system, has wait times. An aunt had to wait months to see a specialist in the public system.
 
Last edited:
R

Rosaudio

First Officer
Joined
Sep 24, 2008
Messages
22,123
MiW said:
Absolutely , but Sweden Have the resources and chooses not to use them for the 'useless'.
Click to expand...

Yeah there was definitely something odd about Sweden's approach.

Sounds like they were being far too cautious when it came to allocating resource?
 
M

MiW

Executive Member
Joined
Sep 18, 2009
Messages
9,313
Rosaudio said:
Yeah there was definitely something odd about Sweden's approach.

Sounds like they were being far too cautious when it came to allocating resource?
Click to expand...

The orders from above is to don't take older people to hospitals, don't give them oxygen , give them palliative care , morphine. That just makes people stop trying to breathe , relaxes the muscles , and makes them die faster and happier.
Also doing state propaganda against the use of masks.

 
Z

zoozi

Expert Member
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
1,768
Grigor Dimitrov and Borna Coric get covid-19 after Djokovic hosted charity event

www.theguardian.com

Grigor Dimitrov 'so sorry' after testing positive for coronavirus

Grigor Dimitrov has said he is ‘sorry for any harm I might have caused’ after revealing he has tested positive for coronavirus
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Grigor Dimitrov 'so sorry' after testing positive for coronavirus
Numerous top tennis players have flown out to the Balkans for the tour organised by Djokovic in lieu of the cancelled ATP and WTA sanctioned events. The opening leg in Belgrade last week had already received criticism after being held in front of hulking crowds in accordance with Serbia’s relaxed restrictions. Throughout the weekend, Djokovic, Dimitrov, Alexander Zverev, Dominic Thiem and other players were pictured hugging, shaking hands and dancing together at a club.

Over the weekend in Zadar, Dimitrov took part in activities that placed him in close proximity with his colleagues and fans, such as a basketball game and a media event amid large crowds in the centre of Zadar. On Saturday afternoon, he looked severely off the pace during his emphatic 4-1, 4-1 loss to Borna Coric.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1272504830666432522
 
O

oRiX

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 22, 2010
Messages
211
noxibox said:
I would have thought that someone who is supposedly involved in the study of illness would know that this can happen after a viral infection.
Click to expand...
zoozi said:
I'm really interested in this too. Read a few reports like this in the media and from people with positive cases (who weren't hospitalized) on reddit in comments on /r/coronavirus and /r/covid19positive who, months after infection, continue with lethargy, shortness of breath, chest pain, urination issues etc.
Click to expand...

What is quite striking is the severity of the relapsed symptoms in some cases far worse than the initial infection. At day 90 several people are reporting, after a brief respite, a relapse in symptoms of shortness of breath and chest congestion worse than what they have previously experienced. I cycled to my doctor really leisurely, not even breaking sweat 10 minutes away and relapsed with swollen throat (difficulty breathing), lethargy, malaise, night sweats I'm on day 93 after first symptoms.
 
Gordon_R

Gordon_R

Honorary Master
Joined
Jul 5, 2009
Messages
20,817
oRiX said:
What is quite striking is the severity of the relapsed symptoms in some cases far worse than the initial infection. At day 90 several people are reporting, after a brief respite, a relapse in symptoms of shortness of breath and chest congestion worse than what they have previously experienced. I cycled to my doctor really leisurely, not even breaking sweat 10 minutes away and relapsed with swollen throat (difficulty breathing), lethargy, malaise, night sweats I'm on day 93 after first symptoms.
Click to expand...

Worth watching:

 
Paulsie

Paulsie

Executive Member
Joined
Apr 6, 2020
Messages
5,485
pouroverguy said:
Even Canada, that has an excellent healthcare system, has wait times. An aunt had to wait months to see a specialist in the public system.
Click to expand...
The biggest problem worldwide, and not just in health, is that all establishments (public or private) are run as profitable enterprises.

Hence terms like just in time, beds per population etc are used and applied. That's why there are are only as many beds as are needed on average. As soon as there is higher demand then average, waiting times kick in.
 
The Voice

The Voice

Honorary Master
Joined
Jan 25, 2009
Messages
15,697
With South Korea looking like they're headed for their second wave, after being one of the countries to get it under control first, I think the UK may be easing their restrictions way too soon.
 
OrbitalDawn

OrbitalDawn

Ulysses Everett McGill
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
47,031
Rosaudio said:
It is interesting to have a case study such as Sweden. As they themeselves are syaing, nobody knows yet whether this strategy is the best one in the long term. Looking at deaths now you could easily say no, but you have to factor in other things such as mental health and economy - as mentioned in the article.

The only issue with the economy argument is that most other countries have locked down, which will always have an effect on Sweden economically regardless of thier approach.

The fact that Nowray and Finland are open to eachother but closed to Sweden is quite funny but sad at the same time.

Only time will tell.
Click to expand...

Thing is, they had a demand side collapse just like everyone else - they'd have gotten substantial economic damage regardless what everyone else is doing.

Chris_the_Brit said:
www.ft.com

Coronavirus: Sweden starts to debate its public health experiment | Free to read

The Nordic country has tried to stay as open as possible but with rising deaths its policy faces growing scrutiny
www.ft.com www.ft.com

Remember this comment:
Click to expand...

Kind of a silly comment. What was the model's actual parameters for that figure, and what was the actual range? You can't just leave something like that out when it's crucial context.

When the model for the UK was revised down, a lot of people had similar silly comments, but as he pointed out - it's because it was dependent on what policies government actually implemented and what people actually did.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top