International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[Lupus]

I'll find the source, but there's a Japanese study that mentions 19x higher risk indoors than outdoors. It also measures the parameters associated with contact like duration across type of contact.

Yeah amazing how being in contact with someone longer and in a closed space could make infection rates higher? I mean all we would need to do is look at the hospitals, why the medical staff are the highest at risk as well.

 

[Geoff.D]

I'll find the source, but there's a Japanese study that mentions 19x higher risk indoors than outdoors. It also measures the parameters associated with contact like duration across type of contact.

It is a really sick World (pun intended) when even the obvious common sense things have to first be backed up by studies before being accepted.
Anyone with two brain cells can see that closed, properly ventilated airconditioned spaces are a bigger risk than the outdoors!

 

[pinball wizard]

It is really sick World (pun intended) when even the obvious common sense things have to first be backed up by studies before being accepted.
Anyone with two brain cells can see that closed, properly ventilated airconditioned spaces are a bigger risk than the outdoors!

Yeah, but the governments around the world embarked on a massive disinformation campaign around this virus and it's spread, so it's fair for people to be confused.

 

[Gordon_R]

It is really sick World (pun intended) when even the obvious common sense things have to first be backed up by studies before being accepted.
Anyone with two brain cells can see that closed, properly ventilated airconditioned spaces are a bigger risk than the outdoors!

Its always worth doing studies, and reading the latest conclusions:

COVID-19

See all information on COVID-19, situation updates, risk assessments, questions and answers, latest evidence, surveillance and laboratory guidance and how to protect yourself and others.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Several outbreak investigation reports have shown that COVID-19 transmission can be particularly effective in crowded, confined indoor spaces such as workplaces including factories, churches, restaurants, ski resorts, shopping centres, worker dormitories, cruise ships and vehicles, or events occurring indoor such as, parties, and dance classes, [171]. They indicated that transmission can be linked with specific activities, such as singing in a choir [172] or religious services that may be characterised by increased production of respiratory droplets through loud speech and singing.

In a study of 318 outbreaks in China, transmission in all cases except one occurred in indoor spaces [173]. The only case of outdoor transmission identified in this study involved two persons. However, outdoor events have also been implicated in the spread of COVID-19, typically those associated with crowding such as carnival celebrations [174] and football matches [175] suggesting a risk of transmission linked to crowding even at outdoor events. However, exposure in crowded indoor spaces is also very common during such events.

A systematic review and meta-analysis of 172 observational studies both in healthcare settings and the community, that looked into the effect of distance from the source patient and the use of respiratory and eye protection in the risk of transmission of SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, concluded that physical distancing of at least one metre, use of face masks and eye protection were associated with a much lower risk of transmission [177]. Distances of two metres provided an even larger protective effect and the use of respirators was found to be more protective than medical masks in this review.

 

[zoozi]

Pretty hectic.

It's not just the lungs: The Covid-19 virus attacks like no other 'respiratory' infection

This #coronavirus “has such a diversity of effects on so many different organs, it keeps us up at night,” said one New York physician.

www.statnews.com

There is another implication of the high expression of ACE2 in olfactory epithelium cells, scientists at Johns Hopkins concluded in a paper posted to the preprint site bioRxiv last month: ACE2 levels in the olfactory epithelium of the upper airways that are 200 to 700 times higher than in the lower airways might explain the virus’s high transmissibility.

*Thinks about the countless morons with masks hanging off their noses*.

There is new evidence that the virus also attacks platelet-producing cells, called megakaryocytes, in the lungs. In a study published on Thursday, pathologist Amy Rapkiewicz of NYU Winthrop Hospital found something she had “never seen before”: extensive clotting in the veins and other small blood vessels of patients’ hearts, kidneys, liver, and lungs. She suspects that the platelets produced by infected megakaryocytes travel through the bloodstream to multiple organs, damaging their vasculature and producing potentially fatal clots. “You see that and you say, wow, this is not just a ‘respiratory’ virus,'” Rapkiewicz said.

Same thing our Jaco Laubscher was mentioning a week ago.

 

[flippakitten]

Its always worth doing studies, and reading the latest conclusions:

COVID-19

See all information on COVID-19, situation updates, risk assessments, questions and answers, latest evidence, surveillance and laboratory guidance and how to protect yourself and others.

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Thank you, this is a great piece and interesting, I don't know what to say about Schools though, seems it's actually fine?

Schools

In the investigation of the first outbreak in France, one infected child attended three different schools while symptomatic and despite 112 contacts identified (including children and teachers), no symptomatic secondary cases were detected [179]. In a recent study from New South Wales, Australia, 863 close contacts of 18 COVID-19 cases (9 students and 9 staff) from 15 schools (10 high schools and 5 primary schools) were tested. Of these 863 close contacts, only two students have been identified as secondary cases. The secondary case in high school was presumed to have been infected following close contact with two student cases. The other secondary case was presumed to have been infected by a teacher who was a case. The investigation found no evidence of children infecting teachers [180].

 

[Lupus]

Thank you, this is a great piece and interesting, I don't know what to say about Schools though, seems it's actually fine?

Wait you mean you've turned? You've realised that maybe kids aren't the super carriers? Now we just the need the government to realise this.

 

[Gordon_R]

Wait you mean you've turned? You've realised that maybe kids aren't the super carriers? Now we just the need the government to realise this.

And the teachers unions, and the parents...

 

[Lupus]

And the teachers unions, and the parents...

No the teachers unions want money no work. Parents are the issue, my son's school is only going back in Spring

 

[yebocan]

Meanwhile in the Lone Star State...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277327743773016064

 

[buka001]

Thank you, this is a great piece and interesting, I don't know what to say about Schools though, seems it's actually fine?

I forwarded all studies on schools to my kids school here in the UK. I have always been relaxed on the subject of schools, especially junior schools.

 

[Geoff.D]

Here in SA the current "conventional wisdom" being propagated is that the kids are carriers of the virus, infected by the adults that come into contact with and passing the virus on to adult teachers in schools and to other kids.
Unfortunately, so far the "outbreaks" in schools seem to support the current conventional wisdom, leading to the panic closing of schools whenever a positive case is found.

Plenty of confusion results.

 

[Gordon_R]

Here in SA the current "conventional wisdom" being propagated is that the kids are carriers of the virus, infected by the adults that come into contact with and passing the virus on to adult teachers in schools and to other kids.
Unfortunately, so far the "outbreaks" in schools seem to support the current conventional wisdom, leading to the panic closing of schools whenever a positive case is found.

Plenty of confusion results.

Should be in the SA forum:
The only way an 'outbreak' can be identified is if they test everyone. Since there are never enough test kits, they only test where there has already been at least one positive case. This means that cause and effect get reversed, extending the delusion that it is spread at school [or wherever else].

 

[Lupus]

Should be in the SA forum:
The only way an 'outbreak' can be identified is if they test everyone. Since there are never enough test kits, they only test where there has already been at least one positive case. This means that cause and effect get reversed, extending the delusion that it is spread at school [or wherever else].

Hence calling an area a hotspots is silly as well, especially when the tests can be up to 9 days old.

 

[Paulsie]

Meanwhile in the Lone Star State...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277327743773016064

That's quite brave asking a redneck to do something. They are well known for carrying more than just a cellphone and car keys

 

[tetrasect]

It is a really sick World (pun intended) when even the obvious common sense things have to first be backed up by studies before being accepted.
Anyone with two brain cells can see that closed, properly ventilated airconditioned spaces are a bigger risk than the outdoors!

Some airconditioners actually kill the virus (not all of them, but many modern aircons release negative ions which destroy viruses).

 

[Blackhand]

Meanwhile in the Lone Star State...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277327743773016064

I think this is the second time I've seen the Karin meme being misused, or has it just morphed into "women losing it"?

 

[Lupus]

I think this is the second time I've seen the Karin meme being misused, or has it just morphed into "women losing it"?

That's what it seems to be, like millennials are all youngsters.

 

[zoozi]

I think this is the second time I've seen the Karin meme being misused, or has it just morphed into "women losing it"?

"Karen
The stereotypical name associated with rude, obnoxious and insufferable middle aged white women.

Karens take everything wrong with the typical over entitled western woman and crank it up by several thousand percent. They are a mutated subspecies that descends from the Soccer Mom, and have many of their traits. Such as a short temper, a crown bowl haircut, an unnecessarily large SUV to take her kids to soccer practice and be a menace on the road, etc etc. But Karens have developed their own unique characteristics /antics as well. Including but not limited to;

-Reveling in making the life or retail workers a living hell by constantly making a scene over nothing and demanding to "speak to the manager" (a near universal battle cry among Karens).
-Threatening to sue someone for a minor misdemeanor they may or may not have committed and may or may not have even involved Karen at all.
-Treating the drive thru line like the set of a Mad Max film by cutting in line and honking at anyone who tries to get in. Even willing dent other people's cars to save 45 seconds in getting her $1 muffin. (Karens in this situation may or may not ask to speak to the drive thru worker's manager and / or threaten to sue the drivers of the car she just rammed.)
-Being a part of the anti-vax crowd and relying on Essential Oils for the health of their children because of a Facebook post she saw.
-Reading erotica that makes 50 shades of grey look like Hamlet by comparison in public."

Urban Dictionary: Karen

Middle aged woman, typically blonde, makes solutions to others' problems an inconvenience to her although she isn't even remotely affected.

www.urbandictionary.com

"Textbook" Karen.

 

[sand_man]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1277478319630540800