International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

Paulsie

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There have been a number of studies over the years (don't ask for link, it's Sunday), that correlate routine vaccinations with overactive immune system. The live vaccines are just not quite the same as the real thing and the immune system does not respond to it the same way.

In the same way that processed foods are often the cause of allergies as highly processed gluten for example is not recognized as gluten by many and their bodies try to fight it as a foreign body (hence allergy).

In a similar way, the vaccines seem to trigger the immune system to overreact in the future, unlike immunuty taught by the real thing.
 

The Voice

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So basically you're between a rock and a hard place. If you don't get the flu vaccine, and you get the flu, your immunity goes to ****, and you have a much higher chance of getting done in by COVID. If you get the vaccine, your chances of catching COVID increase anyway.

I get sent reminders by the NHS to get my flu jab every year because of my heart (in the first wave, around the same time as the elderly and other vulnerable groups). I still intend on getting it now because I probably wouldn't survive a bad case of the flu. If that increases my chances of catching COVID, at least I know it won't say "just the flu bro" on my death certificate.
 

OrbitalDawn

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The way I read this article is that it is yet another proof of the lockdown being useless as a covid strategy. Yes you can use it short term to build hospital capacity etc, but once you reopen, the virus comes back whether you like it or not. And why wouldn't it??

So either you lockdown forever, or you stop being surprised that lockdown has not helped with getting rid of the virus and start looking for other strategies.
Just because the US failed utterly doesn't mean it's useless. It's also not a silver bullet - no single intervention is, or can be.

A lot of the discussion is way too binary and even confused, because 'lockdown' doesn't have a consistent definition. Places that are considered 'locked down' are sometimes more open than places that are considered 'open'. Places like Florida, Arizona and Texas barely had any kind of 'lockdown', and opened up faster than anyone and now they see what's happening, whereas states like Rhode Island and Washington had hard lockdowns, but used the time to prepare much more effectively and are reaping the benefits now.
 
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OrbitalDawn

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More than 15,000 new cases of the coronavirus were announced on Sunday in Florida, marking the highest single-day total of known cases in any state since the start of the pandemic.

The U.S. outbreak is growing across 37 states. More than 60,000 new coronavirus cases were announced on Saturday, more than any day of the pandemic except Friday, when the country recorded more than 68,000 — setting a single-day record for the seventh time in 11 days.
 

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9UK289,603+65044,819+21N/AN/A1854,26566011,990,257176,59567,896,748
10South Africa276,242+12,0584,079+108134,874137,2895394,656692,154,39136,31359,328,450

See how messed up the numbers are. Same amount of total case, yet 10 times for mortality rate for UK. One thing I know is that the UK failed at track and tracing, which explains why South Africa found more cases with 2.15 million tests vs their 11.99 million tests.

If you can on the assumption that South Africa has the most accurate data, and mortality rate. You can work off the assumption that there should be 70 cases with each death minimum.

So if you readjust the numbers for total cases, based only on the number of deaths x 70. You get a number representing reality better and a clearer indication of "population immunity." Sweden deaths should not be as low as it is now, without some form of population immunity.

Sweden: 386,820
SPAIN: 1,988,210
UK: 3,137,330
USA: 9,641,520

In my opinion this is how many infections there should of been at minimum.

This also means the peak of infection for a specific area starts at 0.4% of the population infected.
 

tetrasect

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9UK289,603+65044,819+21N/AN/A1854,26566011,990,257176,59567,896,748
10South Africa276,242+12,0584,079+108134,874137,2895394,656692,154,39136,31359,328,450

See how messed up the numbers are. Same amount of total case, yet 10 times for mortality rate for UK. One thing I know is that the UK failed at track and tracing, which explains why South Africa found more cases with 2.15 million tests vs their 11.99 million tests.

If you can on the assumption that South Africa has the most accurate data, and mortality rate. You can work off the assumption that there should be 70 cases with each death minimum.

So if you readjust the numbers for total cases, based only on the number of deaths x 70. You get a number representing reality better and a clearer indication of "population immunity." Sweden deaths should not be as low as it is now, without some form of population immunity.

Sweden: 386,820
SPAIN: 1,988,210
UK: 3,137,330
USA: 9,641,520

In my opinion this is how many infections there should of been at minimum.

This also means the peak of infection for a specific area starts at 0.4% of the population infected.
No country has done proper trace testing or we wouldn't have this many cases. Seroprevalence studies from Spain show around 5% of people were infected which is around 2.3 million people.
 

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some confirmations , not enough details
It was expected that antibodies probably wouldn't last long. The T-cells usually do though. They have already found in Sweden that a lot more people have T-cells, but no antibodies, for this virus. That's still fine for a vaccine.
 

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No country has done proper trace testing or we wouldn't have this many cases. Seroprevalence studies from Spain show around 5% of people were infected which is around 2.3 million people.
Cough cough, Singapore, South Korean, Vietnam... There are countries that have done proper test and trace and they're still struggling at times.

Gives you an idea of what a sh*t show the rest of the world is.
 

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I am aware that my patient represents a sample size of one, but taken together with other emerging examples, outlier stories like his are a warning sign of a potential pattern. If my patient is not, in fact, an exception, but instead proves the rule, then many people could catch Covid-19 more than once, and with unpredictable severity.

edit: Not a big fan of VOX but this is something to keep an eye on.
 

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pinball wizard

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So you're telling me it was a bad idea to continuously play down the severity of COVID-19, attend public events, flaunt mask laws and not listen to your Public Health specialists and senior doctors?
It's only a bad idea if he died... Otherwise his point is 100% valid. This disease isn't all that bad, right?
 

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A person can catch the same common cold ( other corona virus strain) 2-3 times a year. That is well known fact.
It's not a big stretch to think Covid-19 will behave the same way.
Actually you don't catch the same cold, there are 100s of viruses out there, you're more than likely caught another one.
 

MiW

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Actually you don't catch the same cold, there are 100s of viruses out there, you're more than likely caught another one.
I am talking about medical research on common cold corona viruses, not the average persons experience. I am sure the researchers checked if it was the same virus, before making statements.
 

Geoff.D

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I am talking about medical research on common cold corona viruses, not the average persons experience. I am sure the researchers checked if it was the same virus, before making statements.
I would think if this starts happening with Covid 19, it is an indicator that the virus has mutated? There is nothing to show the virus will not mutate.
 
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