International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

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John Tempus said:
LOL at anyone becoming test rats for Russian research.

I will give it a try after the initial million test rats die off.
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As much as I have the same opinion as you on anything Russian , they have some huge medicinal advantages in some areas, over the West . Example is phage therapy , which can be brewed in a matter of hours , for a specific drug resistant bacteria.
 
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MiW said:
As much as I have the same opinion as you on anything Russian , they have some huge medicinal advantages in some areas, over the West . Example is phage therapy , which can be brewed in a matter of hours , for a specific drug resistant bacteria.
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Fair enough but Russia have a big enough population that they can trial this natively first and we can hopefully get accurate death stats out of it.

I wont trust any "safe" vaccine that is produced in record time ie. 5months ? Sounds like bullshit to me or over promising hype to boost pharma stock natively. Each time a company comes out with "we got the cure" their stock magically bump and then a few weeks later we hear it is not ready.
 
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John Tempus said:
Fair enough but Russia have a big enough population that they can trial this natively first and we can hopefully get accurate death stats out of it.

I wont trust any "safe" vaccine that is produced in record time ie. 5months ? Sounds like bullshit to me or over promising hype to boost pharma stock natively. Each time a company comes out with "we got the cure" their stock magically bump and then a few weeks later we hear it is not ready.
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How will you get 'accurate' stats from any BRICS country?
 
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John Tempus said:
LOL at anyone becoming test rats for Russian research.
I will give it a try after the initial million test rats die off.
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Well, the Russians were the first in space. Their agriculture is mostly organic and self-dependent. I personally would stick with the Russian vaccine trial, long before extending my arm to the lobby-dependent, heavily-commercialized, scandal-prone, FDA approved US pharma.
 
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Paulsie said:
Well, the Russians were the first in space. Their agriculture is mostly organic and self-dependent. I personally would stick with the Russian vaccine trial, long before extending my arm to the lobby-dependent, heavily-commercialized, scandal-prone US pharma.
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First in space yet never released the documents of the cosmonauts who died or were left in space. These documents only got released slowly in recent years with many still not disclosed.

So on the one hand they can be first to something but on the other hand they love to play down the many people die in the process to make it seem very rosey.

It is also not right to shoot down big pharma entirely. Big pharma, love or hate them, have produced fantastic drugs over the years for profit but it also saved millions of lives. Without big pharma the aid epidemic would look completely different today as just one example.
 
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The_Mowgs said:
How will you get 'accurate' stats from any BRICS country?
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You wont, at least I highly doubt it. But just like with China if you wait long enough you will get real developments come out and you can determine what is real and what is not I guess.
 
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Vaccines are generally ineffective for older people whose immune system has deteriorated. Great pity since this is the vulnerable group
 
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Vaccines are generally ineffective for older people whose immune system has deteriorated. Great pity since this is the vulnerable group
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True, although proper herd immunity is achieved by vaccinating 90% of the population, not just the vulnerable.
 
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Comical.

www.nytimes.com

Bottleneck for U.S. Coronavirus Response: The Fax Machine (Published 2020)

Before public health officials can manage the pandemic, they must deal with a broken data system that sends incomplete results in formats they can’t easily use.
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Public health officials in Houston are struggling to keep up with one of the nation’s largest coronavirus outbreaks. They are desperate to trace cases and quarantine patients before they spread the virus to others. But first, they must negotiate with the office fax machine.

The machine at the Harris County Public Health department in Houston recently became overwhelmed when one laboratory sent a large batch of test results, spraying hundreds of pages all over the floor.
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arstechnica.com

Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist

Almost 90 percent still have at least one symptom long after the virus has gone.
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As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated in many countries, an ever-growing group of people is being shifted from the "infected" to the "recovered" category. But are they truly recovered? A lot of anecdotal reports have indicated that many of those with severe infections are experiencing a difficult recovery, with lingering symptoms, some of which remain debilitating. Now, there's a small study out of Italy in which a group of infected people was tracked for an average of 60 days after their infection was discovered. And the study confirms that symptoms remain long after there's no detectable virus.

The study was incredibly simple in design. Patients being treated in Rome for COVID-19 were asked to participate in a tracking study. Overall, 143 patients agreed and were enrolled in the study following a negative test for the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The group ranged from 19 to 85 years old, with an average age of 57. Overall, they had spent an average of 13 days in the hospital while infected, and about 20 percent had needed assistance with breathing.

Roughly 60 days later, the researchers followed up with an assessment of these patients. Two months after there was no detectable virus, only 13 percent of the study group was free of any COVID-19 symptoms. By contrast, a bit over half still had at least three symptoms typical of the disease.
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