International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

pouroverguy

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The Pulmonologists have to face up to the fact that they have failed to challenge their preconceived ideas about how to properly diagnose issues with breathing, oxygen levels in the blood, looking for other causes than issues with the how the lings are working. And then seriously re-evaluate their default treatment of using invasive techniques. That much is absolutely clear.

The Epidemiologists have had a serious lesson in the value of their models and their statistical methods, when even lay-people can pick their models to pieces like many of us have been able to.

They need to take notice of alternative ways in analysing how diseases like viruses spread.

And then the medical authorities have to re-evaluate how they go about restricting doctors from doing what doctors do, and that is to diagnose, evaluate, and treat patients with whatever they find works!

And in this country, we have very successfully created a (yet-to-be-determined-how-deep) rooted mistrust of the public health system.

Lots of room for introspection and review, which should keep them busy for a few years.
With all due respect sir, you have no qualification in Pulmonology, and you cannot criticize specialists who have spent the best part of 2 decades training, nor can you have a qualified opinion on anything to do with respiration, oxygen levels and lung physiology etc. You are wrong that invasive techniques are the default treatment, as was clearly seen in SA from the start as ventilators were only used as an absolute last resort in almost all cases.
 

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With all due respect sir, you have no qualification in Pulmonology, and you cannot criticize specialists who have spent the best part of 2 decades training, nor can you have a qualified opinion on anything to do with respiration, oxygen levels and lung physiology etc. You are wrong that invasive techniques are the default treatment, as was clearly seen in SA from the start as ventilators were only used as an absolute last resort in almost all cases.
With all due respect sir, I think we've been here before. Medical journals are for qualified opinions. Fora are for opinions.... Qualified or not.
Otherwise very few of us here would ever be entitled to even say a word..
Eg. do we have the right to criticize our govermemnt since none of us here have a digree in public works, political science etc?

You will also find that his comment was based on previous comment, stating that current science (and therefore qualified opinion) is good until a better qualified opinion is found and established.
 
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Chris_the_Brit

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A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures.

But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.

This brings England's measure in line with the other UK nations.
 

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Interesting. More and more reports now seem to no longer use the word "pandemic", replacing it with "epidemic".
The hype is dying? reality starting to bite? Is everyone tired of the BS?
 

Lupus

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Interesting. More and more reports now seem to no longer use the word "pandemic", replacing it with "epidemic".
The hype is dying? reality starting to bite? Is everyone tired of the BS?
I sincerely hope so, been tired of this BS since May already. The hype train on this was horrendous.
 

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Interesting. More and more reports now seem to no longer use the word "pandemic", replacing it with "epidemic".
The hype is dying? reality starting to bite? Is everyone tired of the BS?
Lol what? Do you still not know what pandemic and epidemic means? :ROFL:
 

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Lol what? Do you still not know what pandemic and epidemic means? :ROFL:
If they start to use epidemic rather than pandemic it matters.

Anyone knows what epidemic means ie. its localized to specific region or regions. But using the term pandemic means its not isolated and it covers globally.

The point @Geoff.D made is valid. Why the sudden change from pandemic to epidemic , does pandemic not sell as many clicks anymore ?
 

tetrasect

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If they start to use epidemic rather than pandemic it matters.

Anyone knows what epidemic means ie. its localized to specific region or regions. But using the term pandemic means its not isolated and it covers globally.

The point @Geoff.D made is valid. Why the sudden change from pandemic to epidemic , does pandemic not sell as many clicks anymore ?
Firstly, calling it a pandemic is not BS because it is a pandemic by definition.

The reason they are using epidemic is because they are talking about the local numbers, not the global ones. Got nothing to do with hype or clicks.
 

Geoff.D

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Lol what? Do you still not know what pandemic and epidemic means? :ROFL:
I have no problem. I am suggesting that the media all over the place does not know the difference. Just observe for yourself what is and has been written. Not even the WHO seems to understand the two terms.
 

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I have no problem. I am suggesting that the media all over the place does not know the difference. Just observe for yourself what is and has been written. Not even the WHO seems to understand the two terms.
Then why would you say that calling it a pandemic is "BS hype" and calling it an epidemic is "reality"?
 

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I have no problem. I am suggesting that the media all over the place does not know the difference. Just observe for yourself what is and has been written. Not even the WHO seems to understand the two terms.
Epidemic is used to describe a community or localised disease spread, so calling it South Africa's or United Kindoms epidemic is not wrong, if you are talking specifically about that community. Saying the "The worlds epidemic" is wrong but saying the worlds individual epidemics can be correct, although a bit conflated.

It's the dynamics of english, nothing to do with the hype train.

It's the same as confusing science and government policy. Science is the first to admit the potential problems with it's theories, it's in every single paper you read. Policy is taking that science, coming to your own conclusion and then banning the purchase of printer paper.
 

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On what authority are we calling it "improperly tested"? Did they get insight into the testing process?

I mean Moderna, Pfeizer and Oxford/AZ are basically ready to launch soon now too, are we calling theirs "improperly tested" too?

I just hope science prevails here and not politics so that we don't suspect the Russian vaccine simply because it comes out of Russia.
All you need to know is that failures in vaccines for previous coronavirus strains only became apparent in subsequent flu seasons - they drastically increased susceptibility to other respiratory illnesses. So, until at least a year and at least one cycle of global flu seasons has passed on any trial, it's a no from me.
 

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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a 12-day extension of the country’s Covid-19 restrictions, after a cluster of cases grew to 29.

There are four “alert levels” in New Zealand, and Auckland has been on Level 3 since Wednesday.

The rest of the country is on Level 2, and Ms Ardern said both would be extended.

New Zealand has had success containing coronavirus, and went 102 days without a community transmission.

The cause of the cluster in Auckland is still being investigated.

What did Ms Ardern say?
The PM said the decision to extend the restrictions was “in keeping with our cautionary approach and New Zealand's philosophy of going hard and going early”.

She said that, in 12 days’ time, she thought “the cluster will be identified, will be isolated, and we can move to Level 2 in Auckland with confidence”.

All 29 cases “remain linked to one cluster centred in Auckland”, Ms Adern said, adding that 38 people are in government quarantine.
 

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I would've felt better if WHO didn't make this statement :-/
WHO didn't downplay it, IOL totally misconstrued what they said.

They're talking specifically about food arriving from another country.
IOL also didn't mention that they test hundreds of thousands of packages and found less than 10 instances.

Basically that means unless you plan on eating raw chicken or don't wash your hands after handling raw chicken, you'll be ok. If you do either of those, you'll more likely have a run in with salmonella.

I've had to stop listening to what the press say WHO say's and actually listen myself.

Here's another video:
 

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Hi guys. I was chosen for the Russian COVID19 vaccine and had my 1st shot. I am glad to report that so far there are no negativksi efectovski secundariosvki Кто может это прочитать, это уродливый парень .Привет друг Антонио !!
 
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