International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

Gordon_R

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tetrasect

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that's interesting as hell ... wonder what that change is
The change is that they are actually testing people now so the percentage of cases they are able to confirm is much higher than before.

Right now they are up to about 100 confirmed cases per death where before they were only able to detect 10 cases per death.
 

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The change is that they are actually testing people now so the percentage of cases they are able to confirm is much higher than before.

Right now they are up to about 100 confirmed cases per death where before they were only able to detect 10 cases per death.
So? What does that prove? Or is it just the number crunchers are more comfortable with their numbers now?>
 

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The change is that they are actually testing people now so the percentage of cases they are able to confirm is much higher than before.

Right now they are up to about 100 confirmed cases per death where before they were only able to detect 10 cases per death.
I actually think that when this all started, schools were one of the first places to close, while working population continued working (in most places anyway). Considering that a vast percentage of cases are asymptomatic, the chance is that a huge percentage of working population has either already had it or been exposed to it. That's why the hospital admission rate and death rate were originally higher (older people). Now that young people are back to school, they are the ones getting infected, but without the repercussions.

It's only my theory but fits pretty well.
 
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So? What does that prove? Or is it just the number crunchers are more comfortable with their numbers now?>
It doesn't "prove" anything, it just explains why there are less deaths per confirmed case compared to a few months ago without coming up with BS theories that "the virus has changed".

Even our dear president doesn't seem to understand (he thinks the 2nd wave in some European countries is worse than the first!) that confirmed cases are not a measure of actual cases, they are a measure of actual cases and testing capability combined.
 

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I actually think that when this all started, schools were one of the first places to close, while working population still worked (in most places anyway). Considering that a vast percentage of cases is asymptomatic, the chance is that a huge percentage of working population has either had it or been exposed to it. That's why the hospital admission rate and death rate was higher (older people). Now that young people are back to school, they are the ones getting infected, but without the repercussions.

It's only my theory but fits pretty well.
But admission and death rate was only higher "per confirmed case", not per actual case. If they had done the same amount of testing as they are now they would have had 10 times more confirmed cases, and as a result the percentage of hospital admission would also have been 10 times less.
 

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Sweden's coronavirus gamble paying off? Danish professor says Swedish population nearing herd immunity to Covid-19


With much of Europe struggling to contain a second wave of coronavirus infections, a Danish professor has claimed that the pandemic “may be finished” in Sweden, thanks to herd immunity.
Sweden recorded 224 cases of Covid-19 on Thursday, a number roughly on par with daily new infections for the last two months. No patients died. However, the situation throughout much of Europe is different. 300,000 new cases were recorded across the continent last week, with the World Health Organization calling the spike in infections a “wake-up call.” Even Sweden’s neighbor, Denmark, saw an average of 61 cases per million people throughout the week, compared to Sweden’s relatively modest 23.
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Kim Sneppen, a professor of biocomplexity at Copenhagen’s Niels Bohr Institute, believes that the Swedes are finally developing ‘herd immunity’ to the deadly virus.

“There are indications that the Swedes have gained an element of immunity to the disease, which, together with everything else they are doing to prevent the infection from spreading, is enough to keep the disease down,” he told Politiken this week.
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Sweden did, however, pay a price for its seemingly longer-term success. At 580, the country’s death toll per million inhabitants is five times higher than Denmark’s 109 — and the death rate was much higher in Sweden in April, May and June than it was in Denmark.

"That is what they have paid. On the positive side, they may now be finished with the epidemic," Sneppen said.

Nevertheless, Sweden’s fatality rate is still lower than some countries that did implement harsh lockdowns, like Spain and the UK, with 652 and 614 deaths per million respectively.
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By the end of May, around half of Sweden’s deaths had occurred in nursing homes, and these fatalities caused an outpouring of public anger earlier this summer. As stories of older patients left to die in these facilities circulated, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven admitted that his government “did not manage to protect the most vulnerable people, the most elderly, despite our best intentions.”

Despite the death toll, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, told France24 last week that “we are happy with our strategy,” adding: “we are heading into the fall with some confidence.”
 

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The NHC said it first detected cases of the illness in November after a leak at the Zhongmu Lanzhou factory "caused by contaminated exhaust from a vaccine factory in Lanzhou, due to the use of expired disinfectant from late-July to mid-August last year."
Maybe someone should examine air filtration and air exhaust in the Wuhan lab. And perhaps they should check for expired desinfectants instead of looking at wet markets.
 

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Maybe someone should examine air filtration and air exhaust in the Wuhan lab. And perhaps they should check for expired desinfectants instead of looking at wet markets.
But it was the American soldiers who brought it to China.
No wait, sorry it was a bat, I mean a snake, wet markets.

Could never be from the lab that researches diseases like covid19 in the city that had the first lock down where people were physically welded into their houses.
 

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Remember "Professor Lockdown"? (Neil Ferguson)




Lockdown-defying Professor Neil Ferguson says UK needs… a SECOND LOCKDOWN


Prof. Neil Ferguson, the former UK government adviser who was caught defying his own draconian lockdown in May, has warned that nationwide restrictions will be needed again “sooner rather than later.”
Ferguson resigned from the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) in May after he was caught meeting his married lover, in violation of quarantine rules. Before his resignation, Ferguson helped to author the UK’s harsh lockdown rules, which saw Britons confined to their homes for all but the most essential journeys, and police empowered to fine rule-breakers.

Despite admitting in June that these measures had made little difference in curbing the spread of Covid-19, Ferguson told BBC Radio 4 on Saturday that another lockdown is in order to tackle the latest spike in infections.

“Right now we are at about the levels of infection we were seeing in this country in late February,” he said. “If we leave it another two to four weeks we will be back at levels we were seeing more like mid-March. That's clearly going to cause deaths because people will be hospitalized.”
"It'll be different this time, I swear!" ;):thumbsup:
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Remember "Professor Lockdown"? (Neil Ferguson)




Lockdown-defying Professor Neil Ferguson says UK needs… a SECOND LOCKDOWN




"It'll be different this time, I swear!" ;):thumbsup:
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Prof. Lockdown needs to removed from the public airwaves ASAP.

I mean...


and yet he still insists "lockdowns work".
 

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Why do they never compare Sweden with other Nordic countries in such comparisons?

One only needs to look at the current UK government press briefing, to see how well the UK's current situation is going, which echoes the Sweden model.

Around 3,000 cases a day may not sound that bad, but the government’s science advisers think the epidemic is doubling every seven days.

They warn that if (and that is an if) that trend continues, there could be 50,000 cases every day by 13 October. That would, in turn, lead to more deaths from Covid-19.
The ongoing levels of fear mongering and inaccurate estimates never seize to amaze me
 
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