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Paulsie

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The point I was making wasn't about the virus it was about people don't do what they are asked to hence things need to be mandated.
This may sound harsh, but the more mandate you have, the more dumb population you get.

On the past, if you did stupid things (ie not protecting yourself from disease), nature took you out (ie you die). Only the smart and strongest survived.

These days the weak and stupid get protected by society, hence you get the general dumbing down.
 

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This may sound harsh, but the more mandate you have, the more dumb population you get.

On the past, if you did stupid things (ie not protecting yourself from disease), nature took you out (ie you die). Only the smart and strongest survived.

These days the weak and stupid get protected by society, hence you get the general dumbing down.

Who else would protect if not the weak? The strong? They don't need protection...
 

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Who else would protect if not the weak? The strong? They don't need protection...
That's my point - evolution does not care about the weak (and stupid), that's a societal invention (yes some call it humanity).

My point (again on a natural level, not a humanitarian one) - the more you protect the weak, the more of them you have. They have time to breed and procreate, while the strong are busy protecting them.
 

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That's my point - evolution does not care about the weak (and stupid), that's a societal invention (yes some call it humanity).

My point (again on a natural level, not a humanitarian one) - the more you protect the weak, the more of them you have. They have time to breed and procreate, while the strong are busy protecting them.

Careful how far you take this lest you end up in neo-nazi territory...
 

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Careful how far you take this lest you end up in neo-nazi territory...
Don't intend to - mine was an observation, not a suggestion.

Anyhow, this all started with Sweden. Maybe they as a nation are just smart enough to make rational decisions, unlike the rest of us, who have to be "protected".
 

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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:
 

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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:
Alarmist to say “we will never be as we were”. Like every other new strain of coronavirus or influenza it will gradually attenuate and become lumped together with what we generally refer to as “the flu”. It might surprise people to know that the “Spanish flu” is still with us in a sense yet we didn’t permanently or radically change society: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/
 

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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:
The Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flu of the 50s and 60s hasn't gone away, that didn't even have lock downs and all the stuff happening now, in fact there was Woodstock, the Vietnam War and a lot of big events that happened.
Those killed as many or more than Covid, the world moved on, for some reason this covid has made the world go mad and I blame media.
Honestly think if the media hadn't grabbed on to it like it did there would still be as many deaths as there are now, people would've self isolated where necessary, there wouldn't have been covid parties, the "confirmed" cases wouldn't be so high as it wouldn't be actively looked at.
But the media went full freaking hysteria and even when it fizzled they found things to keep it on the radar.
Remember when they pushed this thing caused Kawasaki syndrome and this caused many parents to panic and schools closed, effecting the future for who knows how long. Remember when they pushed that this thing has strange post viral syndromes, on further checks it's pretty much on par with any virus possible post viral syndrome.
Remember when people were getting reinfected with Covid, remember when it w 1% of the population was going to die.
Remember when lockdown was only to get the health care systems ready, not to eradicate the virus.
 
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ShaunSA

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The point I was making wasn't about the virus it was about people don't do what they are asked to hence things need to be mandated.

I also still don't get joke about the two weeks...
Hospital adminsions per day in the UK are more than doubled what they were two weeks ago.

Then again you two have no clue what's really going on in South Africa, or what went on looking through your middle class medical aid point of view.

The pictures from some of the government hospitals was quite the opposite of what your experience was.

How does that phrase go "Just because it's not happening to you doesn't mean it's not happening"

Whatever you say Chicken Little :cool:
 

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Alarmist to say “we will never be as we were”. Like every other new strain of coronavirus or influenza it will gradually attenuate and become lumped together with what we generally refer to as “the flu”. It might surprise people to know that the “Spanish flu” is still with us in a sense yet we didn’t permanently or radically change society: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/09/01/1918-flu-pandemic-end/

And there is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Coronavirus will magically start mutating as fast as Influenza does. As it stands the exceptionally vast majority (something like 99.999%) of people who have been infected will become immune.
 

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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:
Yes because SARS- Cov-2 IS a Coronavirus! It WILL behave like ALL other similar viruses. We might as a species build up immunity to the virus and be able to deal with it with the help of a vaccine but it is there now and it will stay out there. Why are people so amazed by this????
 

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The Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flu of the 50s and 60s hasn't gone away, that didn't even have lock downs and all the stuff happening now, in fact there was Woodstock, the Vietnam War and a lot of big events that happened.
Those killed as many or more than Covid, the world moved on, for some reason this covid has made the world go mad and I blame media.
Honestly think if the media hadn't grabbed on to it like it did there would still be as many deaths as there are now, people would've self isolated where necessary, there wouldn't have been covid parties, the "confirmed" cases wouldn't be so high as it wouldn't be actively looked at.
But the media went full freaking hysteria and even when it fizzled they found things to keep it on the radar.
Remember when they pushed this thing caused Kawasaki syndrome and this caused many parents to panic and schools closed, effecting the future for who knows how long. Remember when they pushed that this thing has strange post viral syndromes, on further checks it's pretty much on par with any virus possible post viral syndrome.
Remember when people were getting reinfected with Covid, remember when it w 1% of the population was going to die.
Remember when lockdown was only to get the health care systems ready, not to eradicate the virus.
So here's an interesting one that has had me thinking. If you're a person living in 2020 who had NO media exposure. So you don't read CNN,Sky, AJ etc. You don't get breaking news on your phone, you don't watch it on TV either. You just know you have to wear a mask because of a virus.

Would you be better off emotionally/mentally about COVID-19 or not? Since many of us are only exposed to the dangers (real or not) through the media? It's not like while sitting at M&B people are dropping dead around us. Maybe the person living off-grid in the sticks is actually better off than all of us lol, health included.
 

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So here's an interesting one that has had me thinking. If you're a person living in 2020 who had NO media exposure. So you don't read CNN,Sky, AJ etc. You don't get breaking news on your phone, you don't watch it on TV either. You just know you have to wear a mask because of a virus.

Would you be better off emotionally/mentally about COVID-19 or not? Since many of us are only exposed to the dangers (real or not) through the media? It's not like while sitting at M&B people are dropping dead around us. Maybe the person living off-grid in the sticks is actually better off than all of us lol, health included.
Why do you think the townships were an issue? Why do you think they didn't really follow the lockdown?
 

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The Asian Flu and Hong Kong Flu of the 50s and 60s hasn't gone away, that didn't even have lock downs and all the stuff happening now, in fact there was Woodstock, the Vietnam War and a lot of big events that happened.
Those killed as many or more than Covid, the world moved on, for some reason this covid has made the world go mad and I blame media.
Honestly think if the media hadn't grabbed on to it like it did there would still be as many deaths as there are now, people would've self isolated where necessary, there wouldn't have been covid parties, the "confirmed" cases wouldn't be so high as it wouldn't be actively looked at.
But the media went full freaking hysteria and even when it fizzled they found things to keep it on the radar.
Remember when they pushed this thing caused Kawasaki syndrome and this caused many parents to panic and schools closed, effecting the future for who knows how long. Remember when they pushed that this thing has strange post viral syndromes, on further checks it's pretty much on par with any virus possible post viral syndrome.
Remember when people were getting reinfected with Covid, remember when it w 1% of the population was going to die.
Remember when lockdown was only to get the health care systems ready, not to eradicate the virus.

Again you seem to lack the basic understanding that cases/deaths during a lockdown cannot be compared to cases/deaths without lockdown regulations. It's like saying "More people died in the Vietnam war (before we used bullet proof vests) than now in Iraq/Afghanistan. Honestly it's just the media pushing these bullet proof vests. We would have been fine without them, soldiers would've dodged bullets where necessary."

What makes you think that if the government didn't order people to wear masks and social distance, close down schools, sports events, music festivals, night clubs, mass transport etc there "would still be as many deaths as there are now"???

Look at the one place where the virus was able to take hold before a lockdown was eventually implemented, Bergamo. Just over 50% of them got infected in a matter of weeks and 0.58% of it's entire population died.
 
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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:

More nonsense from these scare-mongering scientists. Just read an article in the FT saying how much lower the fatality rate is now compared to March / April.

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UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths in second wave – Sage scientist
The UK can expect tens of thousands of deaths from the second wave of coronavirus in what is a “bleak” situation, a Government scientist has said.
Professor John Edmunds, a member of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and from the London said the virus will never go away, even with a vaccine. We will never be as we were.

:oops::oops::oops:
And the death cult grows.
 

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So here's an interesting one that has had me thinking. If you're a person living in 2020 who had NO media exposure. So you don't read CNN,Sky, AJ etc. You don't get breaking news on your phone, you don't watch it on TV either. You just know you have to wear a mask because of a virus.

Would you be better off emotionally/mentally about COVID-19 or not? Since many of us are only exposed to the dangers (real or not) through the media? It's not like while sitting at M&B people are dropping dead around us. Maybe the person living off-grid in the sticks is actually better off than all of us lol, health included.
You need a better shrink. Your mental fortitude is ****ed my man.
 
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