International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[Pitbull]

Source please?

Walk to your nearest private hospital now and see the surgical ward vs medical ward. Actually, @Jase what do you think the majority of cases in hospital are at any given time?

 

[Moosedrool]

Are government officials relying on the public healthcare system and similar processes as the GP with this threat?

 

[daveza]

http://www.nicd.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/vhfguidelinefinal7dec2015-1.pdf

Read the requirements for isolation units from page 35 to page 40.

 

[rietrot]

Good case to be made for NHI

Because the public hospitals are useless we have to take from the private hospitals. That's not really a case for making things more public.

 

[Pitbull]

http://www.nicd.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/vhfguidelinefinal7dec2015-1.pdf

Read the requirements for isolation units from page 35 to page 40.

Still doable and cheaply too. Doesn't have to be a physical brick wall between the patient and the other room. Like I said, can and will be done if needed.

 

[Milano]

Good case to be made for NHI

That is what you initially expected of the public health sector under the ANC. How wrong you were then too.

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

I don't think our private hospitals have more than 20 isolation beds among all of them.

You don't need to isolate people with corona from other people with the virus. A whole ward will be quarantined off.

 

[pinball wizard]

Do the Military hospitals not still have wings for biological warfare and other other emergencies?

You're thinking of always ultra.

 

[daveza]

You don't need to isolate people with corona from other people with the virus. A whole ward will be quarantined off.

Indeed - but there are 5 pages of requirements for an isolation unit - can't just be set up overnight.

 

[thestaggy]

There are way more hospitals than that list. These are pre-selected ones for now. If more is needed, we have more, many many more.

I amended by post.

Can those ''many many more'' hospitals handle something like this? Do we have the resources to equip them for this? As I pointed out in a previous post, we already lack ICU capacity so imagine overloading it.

Provinces are responsible for health. Currently only three provinces approach the international recommendation of ICU beds per 100,000. (Hodgson and Hardcastle 2013). Five out of nine provinces have fewer than 1: 100,000 beds. (Hodgson and Hardcastle 2013). Most ICUs in the private sector function as open ICUs as opposed to the state sector where ICUs are closed (Gopalan, D 2013, pers. comm., 30 June). Telemedicine has a very limited role, but would be useful where care is often remote. (Gopalan, D 2013, pers. comm., 30 June).

The challenges for critical care in the country are the health burden of infectious diseases and lack of infrastructure and resources – ICU beds, personnel, equipment and drugs. Inadequate transport, portering and laboratories also make functioning extremely difficult. Distances between referral centres and the lack of appropriate transfer facilities also impede care. (Gopalan, D 2013, pers. comm., 30 June).

Critical Care in South Africa

Critical care in South Africa is more developed than in other parts of Africa, but faces specific challenges, especially from infectious diseases. South A

healthmanagement.org

I say again, this is why people want to get out in front of it. If Lombardy and their top-5% health system is in flames, you'd be foolish not to try and learn from that and avert a potential disaster in your own backyard.

 

[Pitbull]

I say again, this is why people want to get out in front of it.

By doing selective testing and putting people in self isolation?

You don't see the problem here? There is no getting in front of it the way they are doing ti currently. It's actually too late already.

 

[SpliceGold]

The way this thread is going we should rather opt to open a fight chat thread. Just like in the old days with torrent chat rooms.

 

[thestaggy]

First confirmed death in sub-Saharan Africa. 62-year old with diabetes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1240228590416953344

 

[pinball wizard]

Can I go to China or Taiwan? I mean will I get a visa?
They seem to have a handle on how to control this thing.

 

[Grant]

I don't think our private hospitals have more than 20 isolation beds among all of them.

The newer ones can instantly convert.
Chris Barnard hospital has about 8 private rooms on medical ward 2.
About 9 at medical ward 1.
About 5 isolation rooms in ICU
About 6 isolation rooms in CCU

The private rooms are routinely used for isolation purposes, all having negative pressure ventilation ability.
In total they could easily place 28 patients in isolation.

Problem is who pays?
Private rooms start at about R5000 per day - room only, excluding a latex glove or piece of paper

 

[The_Librarian]

Can I go to China or Taiwan? I mean will I get a visa?
They seem to have a handle on how to control this thing.

Try it and let us know.

 

[gconey]

Walk to your nearest private hospital now and see the surgical ward vs medical ward. Actually, @Jase what do you think the majority of cases in hospital are at any given time?

SO no source then. A made up number from your imagination. Like most of your posts

 

[The_Librarian]

Private rooms start at about R5000 per day - room only, excluding a latex glove or piece of paper

nice hotel you've got there...

...oh wait...

 

[pinball wizard]

Walk to your nearest private hospital now

****, buddy. Can't I drive there?

 

[Pitbull]

SO no source then. A made up number from your imagination. Like most of your posts

You are welcome to prove me wrong... o wait, you can't.