International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

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daveza said:
Because it impacts on the Chinese living in the US.

No other leaders call it that for a reason.
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SA doesn't call it China or Chinese Virus. Yet the Chinese places are empty...
Reason: They have no idea when these people came here...

Nothing to do with what you call it.
 
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I don think it's retarded. There is NO WAY they will be able to contain it. But that's a separate issue all together. Only thing I have been extremely vocal about is the hysteria even on here. You will not die! Fark I doubt anyone on here will die of Corona. Throwing around all these overly hyped stats from when only 40k cases was positive vs the reduced rates at 200k should be criminal. It's sending the wrong idea to the public. And the reason they buy truck loads of toilet paper :D.

If you get sick, flu or Corona (as you won't be able to tell the difference) self isolate. If it reaches a point where you need medical intervention, call the NCID and take it from there. It's not how you guys are portraying it. That is what I have an issue with.

Currently every Tom, Dick and Harry is lining up thinking they have Corona. They are flooding the system with tests and shyte which is taking focus away from those who need it. The elderly and the ones of higher risk groups.

It's simple really, stop causing hysteria. If you are sick, isolate. If you are getting worse, get medical treatment. There is ZERO percent chance that this virus will be contained. It's not going to happen today, tomorrow, next week or even next year. It's out in the public and you have Asymptomatic carriers. It's really just a matter of time before we all get it, unless people take ownership of their own illness.
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Some people only present symptoms after 3 or 4 days. During that period they can transmit and infect others.
 
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Milano said:
This thing? You don't actually know what it is called?
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I'm well are it called covid 19 I just dont understand why not Chinese Flu.

Funny thing is apparently the "Spanish flu's" first case was in Kansas, US.
 
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buka001 said:
Some people only present symptoms after 3 or 4 days. During that period they can transmit and infect others.
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Never disputed that.

So we should now lock the country down, lose trillions in revenue, job losses, companies unable to get back on their feet because of it?
 
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Chinese accused US military of bringing the virus to Wuhan. Trump took that to be an insult to America and retaliated by calling it Chinese flu/virus.

(Thought I read that China then withdrew ambassadors from US but can't find a link so might be wrong)
 
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Pitbull said:
Never disputed that.

So we should now lock the country down, lose trillions in revenue, job losses, companies unable to get back on their feet because of it?
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I don't understand the financial implications - if every company goes to the wall, and this happens around the world then what then ?

Trump says it will all bounce back once this is over - so won't that happen across the planet as well ?

Don't flame me - I just don't get the whole virtual economy thing.
 
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maumau said:
Chinese accused US military of bringing the virus to Wuhan. Trump took that to be an insult to America and retaliated by calling it Chinese flu.
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He could have tried being the bigger man and not stooped to their level.
 
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To play devil's advocate (good news for @Pitbull :whistling:). Lovely data ( :love:) based article.

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco.

At a time when everyone needs better information, from disease modelers and governments to people quarantined or just social distancing, we lack reliable evidence on how many people have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 or who continue to become infected. Better information is needed to guide decisions and actions of monumental significance and to monitor their impact.

Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable. How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?

Vaccines or affordable treatments take many months (or even years) to develop and test properly. Given such timelines, the consequences of long-term lockdowns are entirely unknown.

The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.


This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.


The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.


Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.
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Sayf777 said:
I'm well are it called covid 19 I just dont understand why not Chinese Flu.

Funny thing is apparently the "Spanish flu's" first case was in Kansas, US.
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But it's not an influenza virus. It's part of the coronavirus group.
 
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Sayf777 said:
I'm well are it called covid 19 I just dont understand why not Chinese Flu.

Funny thing is apparently the "Spanish flu's" first case was in Kansas, US.
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It's called Spanish Flu because they were the first to report on it after their king got it, and they didn't have mass media censorship like the rest of the world at the time. Also, had they not reported on it, millions more probably would've died.
 
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Pitbull said:
Never disputed that.

So we should now lock the country down, lose trillions in revenue, job losses, companies unable to get back on their feet because of it?
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No.

Social distancing. Simple and effective.
 
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