International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 2

[Lupus]

That is higher than our AIDS-related death rate.... and AIDS isn't a big issue there

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

 

[Unhappy438]

The whole point of social distancing to keep simultaneous cases low so that hospitals don't get overwhelmed

This has been pointed out to him numerous times but its far too difficult for him to understand, not worth wasting your time

 

[buka001]

To play devil's advocate (good news for @Pitbull ). Lovely data ( ) based article.

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

A rebuttal

We know enough now to act decisively against Covid-19. Social distancing is a good place to start

Waiting and hoping for a miracle as health systems are overrun by Covid-19 is not an option. We need to use the time we are buying with social distancing to mobilize massive efforts to find new ways to cope with this disease.

www.statnews.com

 

[Leno]

The intl flights will also be carrying air freight which still needs to flow

Airlines also need to use their landing slots or they may loose them at some airports

 

[harties]

I actually used the Diamond princess as an example much earlier on, as for me it was the perfect population to work from, small isolated and a good way to try gauge a mortality rate as it was an isolated case.

Sample size is way too small to try gauge a mortality rate. Not credible at all. This is why you leave analysis to experts.

 

[Unhappy438]

New analysis breaks down age-group risk for coronavirus — and shows millennials are not invincible

analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Wednesday underlines a message that infectious disease experts have been emphasizing: Millennials are not invincible. The new data show that up to one-fifth of infected people ages 20-44 have been hospitalized, including 2%-4% who required treatment in an intensive care unit.

New analysis of coronavirus risk: Young adults are not invincible - STAT

Still, the most severe cases of Covid-19, and the highest rates of death, are among the elderly — up to 27% of people 85 and older have died.

www.statnews.com

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1240372455929196545

 

[lived666]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1240372455929196545

He needs to realise that sure kids and teenagers generally are not the ones dying they still carrying the virus and spreading it, so yeah, he might be ok, just kill a few elderly or compromised people on the way.

 

[borro]

 

[j4ck455]

He needs to realise that sure kids and teenagers generally are not the ones dying they still carrying the virus and spreading it, so yeah, he might be ok, just kill a few elderly or compromised people on the way.

Unfortunately COVID-19 isn't a cure for stupid, unless he is one of the few in his age group that gets taken out by the virus.

 

[The Voice]

Useful visual representation:

 

[DeeinSouthAfrica]

Introverts:

 

[DeeinSouthAfrica]

Department of Transport:

 

[DeeinSouthAfrica]

The Silver Cloud is easy to find and track - they're doing the passenger liner version of pacing just beyond Robben Island.
The MSC Orchestra however hasn't been trackable for two days now. Naughty boys, the SA DOT would like a word with you.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Cool vid.

 

[DeeinSouthAfrica]

Cool vid.

Bloody hell, I now have Dolly Parton's Jolene rattling around inside my head.
Cool vid indeed.
Points for lazy people:
Virus has a layer of fat.
Washing hands with water will not remove virus.
Washing hands with soap and water for 10 seconds will remove fat layer but will not be enough to remove virus from your hands.
Washing hands with soap and water for 20 seconds will do the job.
Sing Jolene.

 

[rietrot]

I don't understand the financial implications - if every company goes to the wall, and this happens around the world then what then ?

Trump says it will all bounce back once this is over - so won't that happen across the planet as well ?

Don't flame me - I just don't get the whole virtual economy thing.

People, and more importantly businesses, will lose their income for a couple of months.

They still have the same expenses. Take an airline for example. They were already operating in a highly competitive environment. They still have all the same fixed expenses, aircraft, loans, salaries...
No they can't fly and make money. 1 or 2 months worth of income gone. That's at least a 10% drop in their income.
The economy needs to grow in order for everyone to have jobs and pay their debt, a 10 % decline world wide will be really bad. This can be far worse.

Businesses are going to close, people are going to lose their jobs. Very few people and businesses can survive financially without income for a couple of months.

The tourism/travel industry will be hit the hardest first, but everything is connected.

Economies do bounce back after a crash. But it is busy crashing, and we're going to feel the effects of that.

 

[Lupus]

Sample size is way too small to try gauge a mortality rate. Not credible at all. This is why you leave analysis to experts.

Unfortunately so is the current amount 219 000 worldwide spread across 148 different countries isn't a good idea either. To really get the mortality rates you'd have to work out the population at risk and how many deaths occur there, that's why the princess diamond gave an idea of what it truly could be.
Working with Italy is silly as it's known to have high mortality rates for things like this especially when 99% of the deaths had underlying conditions already.

 

[Sl8er]

80 people where I work are sick.

So I will get it, if I don't have it already. I have to come to work as I have been told I am strategic to the business. Only if I present with symptoms should I stay at home.

I am not worried, not "scared" about it or getting sick. I am fit as hell do 45 min cardio exercise everyday, in addition to the 15000 steps and 40 floors of stairs I climb per day, just for work. I am no where near the high risk age bracket, don't smoke and so on. I haven't missed a day of work to an infectious disease such as the flu in 19 years. So not worried at all.

The issue though, is unlike you, I am not a selfish pr!ck.

I could easily go to the shop, not knowing I am sick, pick up a shopping basket, buy some stuff and leave.

Just afterwards the usual retirement home bus arrives. A WW2 veteran picks up the basket I used. The guy survived the motherfckn Nazis.

He gets it and infects 30 other pensioners.

They all die.

All because social distancing and other measures, which you say are hysterical, that are proven to work in such outbreaks, were not put in place.

Well, thank fully a lot of people are not being total idiots and listening to the likes of you...otherwise we won't have this discussion in a year.

Both me and my 8 year old son are severe asthmatics, and wake up at night regularly being unable to breathe already. And so fall under the risk category that you have already sacrificed for the apparent greater good.

Seeing all these secondary school stupids on the internet acting like they're qualified doctors isn't entertainment for me. Because their fellow stupids believe them and go about spreading the virus with no idea or not a care about consequences outside their control.

This has been pointed out to him numerous times but its far too difficult for him to understand, not worth wasting your time

pitbull: "I couldn't be arsed, bro. GTFO and GFY "

 

[Lupus]

pitbull: "I couldn't be arsed, bro. GTFO and GFY "

That's actually not what he's saying, he's trying to get people to stop panicking about everything. You're more than likely going to get it, government isn't going to stop it. What's he's trying to get people to realise is stop spreading things like Switzerland only has 10 days of beds at this current growth and such. The data models aren't accurate, the numbers aren't right. Take it day by day and see how things go, overloading the medical system for tests when you've got the sniffles is what causes the backlog and issues.
If you're medically compromised and in the risk group, it's better to try self-isolate as much as possible, if you're feeling the symptoms self-isolate, if they get worse contact the NICD. But don't go and blow thousands on toilet paper, don't always believe the stories of we will run out of beds, the world is ending, currently it feels like it because the media are hyping everything up.