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Paulsie

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That's quite a bold statement to make, much like when people claimed Sweden reached herd immunity and then saw dramatic increases a month later.
Perhaps time will tell whether the governors of Texas, Florida, Iowa, Georgia, South Dakota etc were right or if it was MSM that were correct in their scathing articles. Perhaps two more weeks??
 

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I don't know why the EU just don't stop their nonsense with contracts and bans and threats, and just ask Boris to please help them. There's issues with Brexit deal, let the EU negotiate for some vaccines, and the UK for some leniency on the Brexit deal. Is it such a bad idea?
EU acted in good faith by not implementing a EU first clause in their vaccine production, meaning they were able to export large amounts and expected the agreements they had signed would be honored (mistake 1 - UK doesn't care about agreements). UK acted in bad faith by putting a UK first clause in their vaccine production, so very few exports and even vaccines produced in the EU by a UK company went to the UK first, despite existing agreements the company had with the EU. As far as "leniency on the Brexit deal" - it was a deal the UK agreed to and the UK got what they wanted so 'leniency' doesn't enter the picture.
 

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EU acted in good faith by not implementing a EU first clause in their vaccine production, meaning they were able to export large amounts and expected the agreements they had signed would be honored (mistake 1 - UK doesn't care about agreements). UK acted in bad faith by putting a UK first clause in their vaccine production, so very few exports and even vaccines produced in the EU by a UK company went to the UK first, despite existing agreements the company had with the EU. As far as "leniency on the Brexit deal" - it was a deal the UK agreed to and the UK got what they wanted so 'leniency' doesn't enter the picture.

The same applies to EU, they signed a deal with AZ knowing (or not it would seem initially) and they got what they signed for - best effort. Saying things like "We (the EU) acted in good-faith" is just PR that they tried to make themselves look like the victim, as back in January the EU when everything began, they didn't even seem to realize their agreement was best-effort. So saying it was agreed to in good-faith on "best-effort" is just nonsense as back then they were saying the agreement guarantees quantity at certain dates, which turned out to be untrue. I don't believe for a second they made the conscience decision to not include a first clause as the first time the EU came out with "They acted in good-faith" is when it was determined the UK had a first clause in their agreement.

But putting that aside, where was this good faith when they EU initially said AZ was in breach and threatened them with legal action? Where was the good faith when they imposed the border block and ended up reversing it hours later, and still taking two weeks to sort of admit mistake? Where was the good-faith when they demanded the UK must export their vaccines to EU? Where was the good faith when the EU commission authorised blocking of vaccines to Australia? Every step of this debacle has been a hostile approach from the EU.

In simple terms, the UK signed a deal with EU, deal with it. The EU signed an agreement, deal with it! If EU wants something UK has, what have you got to offer in return?
 

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With immediate effect, Berlin suspends AstraZeneca vaccinations for under 60 years olds as the German Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) reports 31 suspected cases of brain thrombosis and nine deaths after vaccination nationwide.
 

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With immediate effect, Berlin suspends AstraZeneca vaccinations for under 60 years olds as the German Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) reports 31 suspected cases of brain thrombosis and nine deaths after vaccination nationwide.

Oh Jesus, I got mine yesterday, and I had a moerse headache this morning!
 

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BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s vaccine regulator said on Tuesday it has recorded 31 cases of a rare blood clot in the brain, nine of which resulted in deaths, after people received a COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) said it has now registered 31 cases of clots in the cerebral veins - known as sinus vein thrombosis, or CSVT - and that in 19 of these there was a deficiency of blood platelets or thrombocytepenia.

In nine cases, the affected people died. With the exception of two cases, all reports concerned women between the ages of 20 and 63. The two men were 36 and 57 years old.
 

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Oh Jesus, I got mine yesterday, and I had a moerse headache this morning!

Unless I’ve seriously misgendered you I don’t think you will have a problem.

Earlier, Berlin's state hospitals stopped vaccinating women under 55 years of age with AstraZeneca's jab, amid reports of rare but serious side effects.
In some cases, patients who received the AstraZeneca vaccine later went on to develop an unusual form of blood clot in the head. Of the few cases recorded, younger women have been primarily affected.

 

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So that's 29% CFR?

I remember when we used to say that casualties from covid are extremely low as a peraentage, and we're told in return to wait until it affects one of our family members.
Wonder whether the same people will have the same approach to vaccine casualties?
 
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MiW

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I blame @Cage Rattler for leaving out that very important piece of information.
Those who have already received vaccination with AstraZeneca's vaccine should watch out for the following symptoms, according to Berlit: "People who have persistent and very severe headaches within the first 2-3 weeks after vaccination need to get further evaluation." Similarly, pinpoint-shaped hemorrhages in the skin along with the headache may indicate CVST.
 

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With immediate effect, Berlin suspends AstraZeneca vaccinations for under 60 years olds as the German Paul Ehrlich Institute (PEI) reports 31 suspected cases of brain thrombosis and nine deaths after vaccination nationwide.
Politics making use of statistics. How can this ever end well.
 

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I find it very odd that only some countries are finding these blood clots, while the UK has vaccinated millions:
Not just that but of the countries playing the suspension and paranoia game, all of them have got awful vaccine rollout .... smells a lot like trying to save face
 

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I find it very odd that only some countries are finding these blood clots, while the UK has vaccinated millions:
I seem to remember that I read of 3 UK cases somewhere.
I don't find it odd. UK did only first dose and most vaccines have higher side effects after the 2nd.
Also even if they found as many cases as , lets say Norway, I don't think they will publicize it at all. It will go against their campaign.

Presuming that most younger women first vaccinated in UK were healthcare workers, didn't they got the Pfizer shots December?
 
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