International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[Paulsie]

I seem to remember that I read of 3 UK cases somewhere.

Five cases, one of them fatal. In this very article.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

I seem to remember that I read of 3 UK cases somewhere.
I don't find it odd. UK did only first dose and most vaccines have higher side effects after the 2nd.
Also even if they found as many cases as , lets say Norway, I don't think they will publicize it at all. It will go against their campaign.

Presuming that most younger women first vaccinated in UK were healthcare workers, didn't they got the Pfizer shots December?

Uk has more 2nd doses than other EU countries and the death rate is still 1-3 in 30 million from blood clots (unconfirmed if linked to AZ) ...... you guys are reaching, badly

 

[MiW]

Most Mutated Covid-19 Variant Yet Found in Tanzania Travelers

The most mutated variant of the coronavirus yet was found in travelers from Tanzania, prompting scientists to call for greater monitoring in a country that has largely ignored the pandemic.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[MiW]

Uk has more 2nd doses than other EU countries and the death rate is still 1-3 in 30 million from blood clots (unconfirmed if linked to AZ) ...... you guys are reaching, badly

I am not reaching , just guessing from the info in the news

"Over 30 million people have already received their first dose of a vaccine, and we are on track to offer jabs to all over-50s by 15 April and all adults by the end of July."

Doesn't that mean that women under 55yo are not being vaccinated yet?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Lots of women under 55 have had the jab (I know 5 or 6 alone). Like I and others have mentioned, there are lots of areas calling in under 50's because of surplus and that's without taking into account the huge amount of front line women already on jab number 2.

 

[MiW]

Lots of women under 55 have had the jab (I know 5 or 6 alone). Like I and others have mentioned, there are lots of areas calling in under 50's because of surplus and that's without taking into account the huge amount of front line women already on jab number 2.

Hence my comment on front line workers getting Pfizer.
I was just guessing why are there less cases than in the EU.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

It's a mix of AZ and Pfizer in the women I know, 4 to 3 AFAIK and the hall on Friday was also quite full of what looked to be under 50's ladies for the AZ

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

I just don't get the discrepancy, it reeks of fear mongering because of the spat in my opinion ....

 

[C4Cat]

I just don't get the discrepancy, it reeks of fear mongering because of the spat in my opinion ....

Are you saying you think the 31 cases in Germany were made up and don't actually exist?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

I'm of 2 minds ... they don't exist or they do but it's not linked to vaccine. Either way, it's handy ammo in their covering of own arses. Like I said, the discrepancy is massive if you take Israel and the UK and the amount of vaccines vs these effects

 

[Gordon_R]

I'm of 2 minds ... they don't exist or they do but it's not linked to vaccine. Either way, it's handy ammo in their covering of own arses. Like I said, the discrepancy is massive if you take Israel and the UK and the amount of vaccines vs these effects

Could be a bad batch of vaccine. The EU supply chain is very different from the UK one.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Could be a bad batch of vaccine. The EU supply chain is very different from the UK one.

Could very well be yep. That or slack administration of dose. Makes kind of sense then there would be 31 in 2.7 million cases I guess.

 

[C4Cat]

I'm of 2 minds ... they don't exist or they do but it's not linked to vaccine. Either way, it's handy ammo in their covering of own arses. Like I said, the discrepancy is massive if you take Israel and the UK and the amount of vaccines vs these effects

Israel is giving the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine, not the AstraZeneca one

 

[Gordon_R]

Could very well be yep. That or slack administration of dose. Makes kind of sense then there would be 31 in 2.7 million cases I guess.

Most of the non-RNA vaccines are real active viruses. They are well tested and should be safe, but anything is possible with new stuff.

 

[MiW]

Could be a bad batch of vaccine. The EU supply chain is very different from the UK one.

AstraZeneca: What's the deal with thrombosis? | DW | 31.03.2021

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis has led to the administration of the AstraZeneca vaccine being halted in many countries. But what exactly are these thromboses? And was the decision to halt the vaccine too hasty?

www.dw.com

our immune system upregulates a certain defense mechanism that influences blood clotting and can thus lead to more thromboses.

Taking the pill also increases the risk of the more dangerous CVST. "Women are affected more often than men, and hormones probably play a role. In late pregnancy, in the puerperium and in women taking the contraceptive pill, we see CVST most frequently," Peter Berlit, secretary-general of the German Society for Neurology, told DW. Regardless of gender, younger people are generally affected more often than older people, he said.

 

[Geoff.D]

Could be a bad batch of vaccine. The EU supply chain is very different from the UK one.

A bad batch? Something in it that encourages blood clots?

The virus does that. An immune system over reaction?
Where is the double triple blind study results you all are so fond of quoting?

 

[Gordon_R]

AstraZeneca: What's the deal with thrombosis? | DW | 31.03.2021

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis has led to the administration of the AstraZeneca vaccine being halted in many countries. But what exactly are these thromboses? And was the decision to halt the vaccine too hasty?

www.dw.com

Most people are very uncomfortable with the concept that medical treatments have side-effects. The relative benefits versus the risks can be very difficult to weigh up. This is a particular issue when those who suffer are statistically different from those who benefit. Most countries have legal indemnity programs, but these can be hard to prove when the links are so tenuous.

 

[Supervan II]

AstraZeneca: What's the deal with thrombosis? | DW | 31.03.2021

Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis has led to the administration of the AstraZeneca vaccine being halted in many countries. But what exactly are these thromboses? And was the decision to halt the vaccine too hasty?

www.dw.com

Was about to mention the contraceptive issue relating to thrombosis. It very much depends on the type of contraceptive that these women are taking, some of which could contribute to their susceptibility - especially those that smoke as well.

 

[flytek]

I'm of 2 minds ... they don't exist or they do but it's not linked to vaccine. Either way, it's handy ammo in their covering of own arses. Like I said, the discrepancy is massive if you take Israel and the UK and the amount of vaccines vs these effects

I'm also in two minds...are you a vaccine sales person or just religiously blinded by your pro-vaccine stance that it couldn't possibly actually be the vaccines fault?

 

[MiW]

Most people are very uncomfortable with the concept that medical treatments have side-effects. The relative benefits versus the risks can be very difficult to weigh up. This is a particular issue when those who suffer are statistically different from those who benefit. Most countries have legal indemnity programs, but these can be hard to prove when the links are so tenuous.

Sure , but since AZ is not my only choice of vaccine in the future , I would go for the one with non stroke side effects