International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[Mephisto_Helix]

I'm also in two minds...are you a vaccine sales person or just religiously blinded by your pro-vaccine stance that it couldn't possibly actually be the vaccines fault?

Aww you're so cute you widdle nutter you.


Just ps - I have never said its not capable of being the vaccine but newsflash, read the side effects of every medicine on the planet, risk is a possibility with all of them.

With this AZ thing, if you can ignore the timing of this and the discrepancies, by all means. One doesn't have to be pro vaccine to spot BS.

 

[flytek]

You're the nutter posting conspiracy theories that europe must be either trying to 'save face' or are 'fearmongering'...those are conspiracies and you say others are 'reaching'.... I call BS

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Saving face and fear mongering among politicians is standard fare in politics ...... that's no conspiracy theory. People who are dead set against vaccines, astrazeneca or not, those are the conspiracy nuts you're looking for.

 

[AdrianH]

At the end of the day, I suppose you weigh-up the odds of your chances of getting Covid and dying, or having AZ vaccine and getting blood-clots and dying.

So far, 564 million people have been administered a vaccine. Unfortunately I can't find the number per vaccine manufacturer, but lets say AZ is a quarter of the vaccines administered which gives us 141 million. Total of blood-clot deaths that may be due to vaccine, 50 or less. Its a miniscule number, especially when compared to the daily covid death rate world-wide of 10k.

We should be cognizant of what's happening, and question how safe the vaccine is. But in Germany's case though, 9 out of 2.4 million while sitting on a Covid death-rate of 162 per day, the benefit of the vaccine far out-weighs the risk of death by blood-clots.

 

[AdrianH]

Sure , but since AZ is not my only choice of vaccine in the future , I would go for the one with non stroke side effects

I wonder at what point we will be given a choice of vaccine? I think for the next two years or so, governments will dictate, probably based on what they have available.

As it mutates like the flu virus, to combat it, we would need booster shots to handle new strains, much like the seasonal flu virus vaccine. The question is, will it become a compulsory or voluntary booster shot?

Going to be interesting.

 

[MiW]

I wonder at what point we will be given a choice of vaccine? I think for the next two years or so, governments will dictate, probably based on what they have available.

As it mutates like the flu virus, to combat it, we would need booster shots to handle new strains, much like the seasonal flu virus vaccine. The question is, will it become a compulsory or voluntary booster shot?

Going to be interesting.

Luckily ..

" the AstraZeneca ChAdOx1 AZD1222 chimpanzee adenoviral vectored vaccine showed only 10% efficacy against 501Y.V2 variants, compared to 75% efficacy against earlier South African variants.3 The roll-out of this vaccine in South Africa is currently paused"

 

[MiW]

Just for entertainment , comparing Chile , highly vaccinated with sinovac , vs Argentina barely 3% sputnik

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376939607963631623

 

[flippakitten]

You're the nutter posting conspiracy theories that europe must be either trying to 'save face' or are 'fearmongering'...those are conspiracies and you say others are 'reaching'.... I call BS

Thrombosis is the number 1 cause of preventable deaths in hospitals.
33/2700000 would barely (if at all) effect the normal rates of thromboses in the population, especially those above 60 years old. (https://thrombosisuk.org/thrombosis-statistics.php)

There is a reason why the medical institutions that looked into the AstraZenca vaccine said there is no evidence to support the claim or justify halting the vaccination programs.

 

[flippakitten]

A nice summary of the current data in the UK.

Most interesting is the rise in cases in the 2 - 11 year old groupings. Also the 35 - 49 age group is seeing a rise . Being a parent in that age grouping with 2 kids in those age groupings and the only change that happened for the data is schools opening I think it's fair to say that kids can and do transmit the virus.

 

[Markd]

I wonder at what point we will be given a choice of vaccine? I think for the next two years or so, governments will dictate, probably based on what they have available.

As it mutates like the flu virus, to combat it, we would need booster shots to handle new strains, much like the seasonal flu virus vaccine. The question is, will it become a compulsory or voluntary booster shot?

Going to be interesting.

Honestly I think it will be voluntary at a point, because so many people will have some kind of vaccination that if someone who is anti-vax gets it and dies its not going to tax the healthcare system or economy as it has done at the height of the pandemic where everyone is potentially vulnerable. It probably won't spread as wildly or be as deadly following mass vaccination.

To your earlier point on the AZ vaccine and blood clots, I read a statistic on an anti-vax site that stated that Canada had stopped administering this vaccine to under 65s (I think it was), but that from 378,000 doses administered, there were no confirmed cases of blood clots as yet.

 

[Dave]

I wonder at what point we will be given a choice of vaccine?

Too late, you can’t choose Pfizer, it’s reserved for the VIPs

 

[Gordon_R]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376939607963631623

Breaking, France to shut schools:

Covid: France schools to close under third lockdown

French schools will close for at least three weeks as part of new national restrictions.

www.bbc.com

Lockdown measures, introduced in 16 areas of France earlier this month, are also being extended across the country.

All non-essential shops are to close from Saturday and there will be a ban on travelling more than 10km from home without good reason.

 

[Sinbad]

A nice summary of the current data in the UK.

Most interesting is the rise in cases in the 2 - 11 year old groupings. Also the 35 - 49 age group is seeing a rise . Being a parent in that age grouping with 2 kids in those age groupings and the only change that happened for the data is schools opening I think it's fair to say that kids can and do transmit the virus.

Don't forget all those kids at school are now being tested twice a week at least. So asymptomatic cases that were previously going undetected get picked up now...

 

[Lupus]

Don't forget all those kids at school are now being tested twice a week at least. So asymptomatic cases that were previously going undetected get picked up now...

What a waste of tests.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

What a waste of tests.

Yup, and they are using the less accurate lateral flow tests:

 

[AdrianH]

Too late, you can’t choose Pfizer, it’s reserved for the VIPs

Very Idiotic People?

 

[Dave]

Very Idiotic People?

No, that’s the group who got allocated AZ, the expendables

 

[AdrianH]

No, that’s the group who got allocated AZ, the expendables

I heard they gave Pfizer to the old and weak, you know, the ones that don't really offer anything to society and are just a drain on everything.

 

[Sinbad]

What a waste of tests.

They're basically giving them away free by the boxful here.