International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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MiW said:
What is the efficacy of Sputnik on the SA mutation?
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excellent question, I don't believe our government has lifted even one finger to determine that, they're to busy buying vaccines that we don't even have the distribution capabilities for like Pfizer
 
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MiW said:
Wow, so under 30 is higher risk than benefit.

Question, if you have 25yo daughter, would you advise her to get AZ?
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It would be 100% her choice and I would present the same information. If I was 25 I probably wouldn't even consider either of those numbers a risk, just jab away so I can get back to the pub.

I'm not 25 though, I'm in the next group and still waiting for more information before I make up my mind because the lack of data at the moment could quite easily mean I would develop blood clots if I caught covid.

My gut feel is 50+ should definetely take the AZ vaccine if offered.
 
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I'm in the age group that will be offered an alternative and if available I will probably take the alternative based on the data we have currently.

If not available I will still take the AZN purely due to the risk of long covid. I know people who still struggle to breathe months after experiencing covid.
 
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Rosaudio said:
I'm in the age group that will be offered an alternative and if available I will probably take the alternative based on the data we have currently.

If not available I will still take the AZN purely due to the risk of long covid. I know people who still struggle to breathe months after experiencing covid.
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I'm not 25 though, I'm in the next group and still waiting for more information before I make up my mind because the lack of data at the moment could quite easily mean I would develop blood clots if I caught covid.
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So how am I anti-vaxx, but you are not, when we share the same opinions (minus the fact that AZ is ineffective here):unsure:

Won't help you for v2.0 , so what's the point?
 
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Geoff.D said:
Herd immunity is not another magical silver bullet. Infections will NOT stop happening when the herd immunity threshold is reached, just diminish, maybe become less severe, with fewer deaths.
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Which is exactly what the long term expected outcome should be.
At least we can start some real measuring and comparisons when it comes to vaccinations and the protection they deem to offer.
 
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flippakitten said:
It would be 100% her choice and I would present the same information. If I was 25 I probably wouldn't even consider either of those numbers a risk, just jab away so I can get back to the pub.

I'm not 25 though, I'm in the next group and still waiting for more information before I make up my mind because the lack of data at the moment could quite easily mean I would develop blood clots if I caught covid.

My gut feel is 50+ should definetely take the AZ vaccine if offered.
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NICE how one always gets plastered with benefit vs risk comparisons, but where it doesn't suit, it's just the risk that gets looked at.

Why should the 25 year old taky any risk whatsoever!???

And no it would not be 100% her choice as otherwise she gets labeled anti-vaxx.
 
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MiW said:
So how am I anti-vaxx, but you are not, when we share the same opinions (minus the fact that AZ is ineffective here):unsure:

Won't help you for v2.0 , so what's the point?
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I've never claimed AstraZeneca isn't ineffective for the SA variant.

What i've been asking is, does the AstraZeneca vaccine prevent severe illness when it comes to that variant? Until we have studies on that it is completely stupid to say the AstraZeneca vaccine won't be needed in SA.

Just because it's has a low efficacy doesn't mean it won't prevent hospitalizations. Understand?
 
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Rosaudio said:
I've never claimed AstraZeneca isn't ineffective for the SA variant.

What i've been asking is, does the AstraZeneca vaccine prevent severe illness when it comes to that variant? Until we have studies on that it is completely stupid to say the AstraZeneca vaccine won't be needed in SA.

Just because it's has a low efficacy doesn't mean it won't prevent hospitalizations. Understand?
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All moot. The Minister announced that the money paid for AZ vaccines has been refunded in full, which implies that no more deliveries will be made to SA.
 
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Geoff.D said:
All moot. The Minister announced that the money paid for AZ vaccines has been refunded in full, which implies that no more deliveries will be made to SA.
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I believe it's a refund for the 500k that have not yet been delivered. The 1mil that SA received has not been refunded.
 
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Rosaudio said:
I've never claimed AstraZeneca isn't ineffective for the SA variant.

What i've been asking is, does the AstraZeneca vaccine prevent severe illness when it comes to that variant? Until we have studies on that it is completely stupid to say the AstraZeneca vaccine won't be needed in SA.

Just because it's has a low efficacy doesn't mean it won't prevent hospitalizations. Understand?
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Well, none of the 2000 got seriously ill or were hospitalised.
 
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Geoff.D said:
All moot. The Minister announced that the money paid for AZ vaccines has been refunded in full, which implies that no more deliveries will be made to SA.
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Okay great and is exactly why it is fantastic that we have a variety of vaccines at the moment, so that countries can use whatever is best for their specific situation.

I'm sure the AZ vaccines will be of great use elsewhere.
 
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Rosaudio said:
Okay great and is exactly why it is fantastic that we have a variety of vaccines at the moment, so that countries can use whatever is best for their specific situation.

I'm sure the AZ vaccines will be of great use elsewhere.
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A variety is good. The issue is when a country will get the vaccines of a particular manufacturer. If I recall, SA has 20mil Pfizer and 31mil JJ which wont all come at a single time.

UK now has agreements with seven manufacturers. First Pfizer, then AZ, and now Moderna is rolling. Novavax, Janssen, Valneva and GSK still need to finish trials and get approved. This takes UK up to 407 million various vaccine doses over two years.

Pfizer = 40 million
AZ = 100 million
Moderna = 17 million
Novavax = 60 million
Janssen = 30 million
Valneva 100 million
GSK 60 million
 
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