International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[pinball wizard]

In all fairness, it's been shown many times and I even posted the weekly excess deaths report once or twice here, that the actual deaths from covid are 2 to 3 times higher what is being stated. By looking at the graphs and data, you can easily see the excess deaths go up dramatically when covid deaths go up. Check the graph below and notice the excess deaths following and out performing the covid deaths

In early January in a single week, around 20000 people died, yet only just under 5000 died of Covid according to government. Yeah, I don't believe the government's numbers, I reckon SA easily hit 2000 deaths in a day in January.

Well, that can't be right.

Regardless of everything else going on, we, on this forum all agree on a few basic things. One of those things is the absolute lack of service delivery in all things from our government.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the same government could dispose of 20 000 bodies a week with no one noticing. And I ask you with tears in my eyes, where are the bodies?

 

[AdrianH]

Well, that can't be right.

Regardless of everything else going on, we, on this forum all agree on a few basic things. One of those things is the absolute lack of service delivery in all things from our government.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the same government could dispose of 20 000 bodies a week with no one noticing. And I ask you with tears in my eyes, where are the bodies?

The deaths aren't being hidden, just not being correctly classified as covid related deaths. During January, temporary morgues were setup to try handle the all the bodies. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a several weeks weeks to dispose of all the bodies.

 

[C4Cat]

So the drop in cases in the UK was due to the effectiveness of lockdown (finally after a year), but the long-term down trend is due to the vaccine yes?

The in SA, the drop is due to lockdowns (finally) and the long term trend is due to under-counting (as per @Dave) yes?

Wtf!!

How do you get that from the graphs you posted earlier? Or did I miss something? Anyway, as you said it's difficult to compare different countries because there are a lot of variables involved and it makes no sense to compare different variables in isolation, as you're trying to do. This is obviously going to be misleading. It's a combination of lockdown, adherence, vaccines, genetics, sunshine exposure, nutrition, exercise, travel, social occasions and so many other things, you can only look at trends. Trying to compare lockdown vs vaccine is just silly (especially when some countries have had both) Lockdown definitely has an impact on bringing and keeping numbers down. I don't believe we'll see the full effect of vaccines for some time, at least until most people have their second dose.

 

[dualmeister]

India keeps breaking their own records.

 

[pinball wizard]

During January, temporary morgues were setup

Where?

 

[C4Cat]

Where?

Both SA and UK

 

[flytek]

SA dead come in at a rate of just under 10k a week more or less...the 20k a week extra was only for maybe the three weeks of the recent peak and falling rapidly either side of the peak.

 

[AdrianH]

'In the context of the emerging COVID-19 pandemic, it has become essential to track the weekly number of deaths that occur. Deaths recorded on the National Population Register are provided to the SAMRC on a weekly basis. These have been scaled up to estimate the actual number of deaths by accounting for the people who are not on the population register and the under-registration of deaths.'
People throw around excess deaths numbers like it's fact, when it's actually estimates.

The estimations are only used for people dying that are not on the population register. This only accounts for 17% (6 year average) of the total number of excess deaths due to estimation. The other 83% is the actual reported deaths. Even if you were to totally remove the 17% estimated deaths and only work on reported deaths, the number given by government to what the data shows, they are still grossly understating covid deaths.

 

[Geoff.D]

After all these months, still there are those that cannot understand the data!
I am shocked.
As already pointed out, the deaths are happening. The problem is the cause of death is NOT being recorded correctly.

 

[AdrianH]

Where?

At the Joburg Morgue was one, but they went all over.

To help store the influx of bodies - and ensure COVID-19 victims are separated from others - AVBOB has distributed 22 containers normally used for transporting goods to its 250 South African morgues.

South Africa turns to temporary morgues as COVID-19 deaths soar

South Africa is the continent's worst-hit country in the pandemic, with more than 1.4 million coronavirus cases and 40,800 deaths.

ewn.co.za

 

[pinball wizard]

At the Joburg Morgue was one, but they went all over.

22 containers spread over 250 morgues? And the one in the story had 17 bodies in it? I'm not an Indian, so my maths is ****, but I don't see that meaning 20000 dead people a week.

 

[AdrianH]

22 containers spread over 250 morgues? And the one in the story had 17 bodies in it? I'm not an Indian, so my maths is ****, but I don't see that meaning 20000 dead people a week.

Not only government disposes of dead bodies which was what your original post alluded to.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the same government could dispose of 20 000 bodies a week with no one noticing. And I ask you with tears in my eyes, where are the bodies?

Avbob also disposes of bodies, one of many private companies providing these services, but they being the largest.

 

[pinball wizard]

Not only government disposes of dead bodies which was what your original post alluded to.



Avbob also disposes of bodies, one of many private companies providing these services, but they being the largest.

Great. The numbers still don't add up to 20k a week.

I don't really care what private companies are doing. All of these numbers must go through government, and I will stand by there complete ineptness.

Even anecdotally, 20k dead a week should be visible to regular people on the street, and I don't see it. I wish I had your faith in the death cult, but I just don't.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1385512805948870657

 

[Lupus]

Not only government disposes of dead bodies which was what your original post alluded to.



Avbob also disposes of bodies, one of many private companies providing these services, but they being the largest.

Yeah but the estimates that are being worked by the SAHMC are numbers from the death register, which would be both private and public? They are also adding in those that are dying apparently not on the registers.

 

[AdrianH]

Yeah but the estimates that are being worked by the SAHMC are numbers from the death register, which would be both private and public? They are also adding in those that are dying apparently not on the registers.

Sorry dude, are you asking me or telling me about both public and private? I would assume certain private institutions can update the National Population Register (death register), probably quite restricted though to who can actually mark a person as dead, but I don't know.

Yes, the SAMRC use the National Population Register along with historical data to determine the estimates. I did reply to you earlier regarding the estimates of deaths not on the National Population Register. Maybe you missed it?

 

[Geoff.D]

Just read up on the SAMRC website and then on STATSA how it all works if you are confused.

 

[Lupus]

Just read up on the SAMRC website and then on STATSA how it all works if you are confused.

I'm still pretty sure if it was 20k a week or even 10k a week there would be more people effected. I still to this day only know 1 person who's passed away from it. I only know a total of 6 who've had it, the other 5 came through with flying colours.
If we were having 20k deaths per a week, that would be almost 3000 a day?

 

[pinball wizard]

I'm still pretty sure if it was 20k a week or even 10k a week there would be more people effected. I still to this day only know 1 person who's passed away from it. I only know a total of 6 who've had it, the other 5 came through with flying colours.
If we were having 20k deaths per a week, that would be almost 3000 a day?

Like I said, that level of weekly deaths, ordinary people like you and me would start to notice holes in the population.

 

[pinball wizard]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1385512805948870657

When you look up "nanny state" in the dictionary do you get a picture of a kangaroo and one of those hats with all the corks on it?

That stereotype of Aussie yobbos drinking beer and being tough must surely be a myth.