International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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Geoff.D

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Just when you think Covidiots can’t get any stranger. Now the vets get to have their say…



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So? Making an association that is beyond stupid and trying to turn this into a way to discredit research?

What exactly is your point? Do you think medicine is that different between human and animals?

I suggest you re-read the article you reference before using a stupid association to try and prove a pointless point.
 

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So? Making an association that is beyond stupid and trying to turn this into a way to discredit research?

What exactly is your point? Do you think medicine is that different between human and animals?

You know that most viruses react differently across species? I think there are enough researchers and scientists in the human field of study that we don’t need to be interviewing those involved in veterinary medicine.

What’s next? Witchdoctors or homeopaths?

I suggest you re-read the article you reference before using a stupid association to try and prove a pointless point.

You’re so quick to jump in you don’t even realise there is no article to re-read at the link?
 

NarrowBandFtw

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So his peers would be others in veterinary medicine?

We might be related to monkeys but I think I’ll stick to studies done by doctors and scientists who specialise in human diseases.
So you have no interest in the facts, noted, covidiot indeed
 

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So? Making an association that is beyond stupid and trying to turn this into a way to discredit research?

What exactly is your point? Do you think medicine is that different between human and animals?

I suggest you re-read the article you reference before using a stupid association to try and prove a pointless point.
wait until it dawns on him that the paper was not written by the doctor he's criticising, but by a group of pathologists who mostly are at Harvard Medical School ... this was not a veterinary study AT ALL, but Dave's too busy donning his blinkers to know
 

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So it turns out Byram Bridle is a kook.




FAST FACTS ABOUT BRIDLE'S CLAIMS​

BRIDLE'S CLAIMS​

"… we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin …"

"… it's the first time ever scientists have been privy to seeing where these messenger RNA go after vaccination …"

"… this has implications for blood donation ... this has implications for infants that are suckling ... this has serious implications for ... all of our children …"

RESPONSE
 

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So it turns out Byram Bridle is a kook.




FAST FACTS ABOUT BRIDLE'S CLAIMS​

BRIDLE'S CLAIMS​

"… we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin …"

"… it's the first time ever scientists have been privy to seeing where these messenger RNA go after vaccination …"

"… this has implications for blood donation ... this has implications for infants that are suckling ... this has serious implications for ... all of our children …"

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he's not the author of the peer reviewed study, so what is your point mr covidiot?
 

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So you have no interest in the facts, noted, covidiot indeed

Covidiot

Macmillian Dictionary defines “covidiot” as “an insulting term for someone who ignores health advice about COVID-19." Urban Dictionarytakes a pretty similar approach, defining “covidiot” as “someone who ignores the warnings regarding public health or safety. A person who hoards goods, denying them from their neighbors.”

In other words, those who believe nutjobs and post nonsense about Covid.
 

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he's not the author of the peer reviewed study, so what is your point mr covidiot?

You really look stupid using a word in the opposite of its accepted meaning. What you are doing would entitle you to be called a covidiot.

and no, he doesn’t have any peer reviewed study.
 

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You really look stupid using a word in the opposite of its accepted meaning. What you are doing would entitle you to be called a covidiot.

and no, he doesn’t have any peer reviewed study.
you assumed it is his study, nobody said it is, he is interviewed while commented on a peer reviewed study, a study I gave you the link to, he is not the author, nobody claimed he is except you

ergo you posted nonsense about covid, covidiot

you also run off to the first "debunking byram bridle" link you could google and come back with demonstrably false statements like:
all of the data Bridle claims to have "revealed" have been publically available for months

the study was published May 2021 ... more falsehoods on covid from you, covidiot :cool:
 

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you assumed it is his study, nobody said it is, he is interviewed while commented on a peer reviewed study, a study I gave you the link to, he is not the author, nobody claimed he is except you

ergo you posted nonsense about covid, covidiot

you also run off to the first "debunking byram bridle" link you could google and come back with demonstrably false statements like:


the study was published May 2021 ... more falsehoods on covid from you, covidiot :cool:


WHAT DID HE GET WRONG?​

When Bridle claims “… we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin …” he is fundamentally incorrect for multiple reasons.

First and foremost, there is no spike protein in the vaccine. But if we assume he means the spike proteins created by your cells are toxic, then he's suggesting that:

  1. The spike protein is distributed throughout the body, and accumulates in tissues and organs.
  2. The spike protein is inherently toxic, and is capable of damaging these tissues.

BRIDLE CLAIMS ...​

... the spike protein accumulates in the spleen, in the liver, in bone marrow, and the adrenal glands ...

... the spike protein accumulates in breast milk, and in the blood.

BUT THE SPIKE PROTEIN DOES NOT ACCUMULATE THROUGHOUT THE BODY​

Bridle claims he has gained access (through a FOI request to the Japanese government) to a new bio-distribution study that demonstrates (for the first time ever!) the distribution of the mRNA vaccines in the body. An image of the relevant table being circulated is presented below. This is untrue (or at least, very misleading) for several reasons.
  1. There are exisiting bio-distribution studies.
  2. The PMDA source document has been available publically for months, and was considered in the European Medicines Agency assessment of the vaccines.
  3. The experiment was conducted in rats, not in humans.
  4. The results are presented by Bridle and his proponents as to suggest the experimenters were measuring concentration and accumulation of spike protein; they were actually measuring tagged lipid-nanoparticles representing the mRNA vaccine.
  5. There are multiple studies demonstrating the vaccine and associated antibodies don't pass through breast milk.

THE PRESENTED TABLE ...​

... is about mRNA, not the spike protein (despite the conflation in the interview) ...

... was conducted in rats ...

... and has the ovaries highlighted to alarm readers.

A page of the PMRA study showing distribution of the lipid-nanoparticle mRNA in rats. The text is in Japanese, and the ovaries row is highlighted.

This is the image being circulated. The original report is here, and a translated version (source of translation unclear) is here.
Notice how the result is highlighted (and often presented as a measurement of spike protein) to alarm, despite evidence demonstrating the vaccine has no effect on ovarian function. Though, if you look to the right for context (conveniently not highlighted by those who circulate the image) the accumulation in the ovaries represents at peak 0.095% (that’s 0.00095 of the dose) of the mRNA injected. Remember, the vaccine – not the spike protein.

BRIDLE CLAIMS ...​

... the spike is toxic, and causes clotting or bleeding ...

... and the spike protein can cross the blood brain barrier and affect the brain.

BUT THE SPIKE PROTEIN PRODUCED BY YOUR CELLS IS NOT IN THE SAME FORM OR CONCENTRATION AS THE VIRAL PROTEIN​

There are two important facts about the spike protein Bridle is ignoring:
  1. The spike protein created by your cells is not the same as the viral spike protein; it has been modified to remain attached to the surface of your cells (so it doesn't freely circulate in the blood), and has been inactivated to further reduce binding to ACE2 receptors.
  2. There concentration of spike protein created by your cells is 100,000x lowerthan the level of viral spike protein shown to cause harm (this is the 11/13 healthcare workers study).
And while Bridle continues to make claims of toxicity, it's not clear if he actually believes that; afterall, he received $230,000 from the Ford (provincial) government to develop a competing vaccine using the same spike protein he claims is toxic. Notably, he expects his vaccine to be ready in 2 - 4 years; it's unclear if his vaccine will be necessary given the safety and efficacy of current vaccines.

BRIDLE CLAIMS ...​

... "looking into the adverse event database in the United States, we have found evidence of suckling infants experiencing bleeding disorders in the gastrointestinal tract" ...

BUT VAERS ACCEPTS ALL CLAIMS AND DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE CAUSALITY​

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a United States government program that collects reports of adverse effects (possible side effects) following vaccination. Canada's equivalent program, the (Canadian Adverse Events Following Immunization Surveillance System) CAEFISS, collects reports of adverse effects in Canada, and incorporates active surveillance to further increase the sensitivity of the system.
Both of these systems allow anyone – doctors, nurses, and the public – to submit reports of adverse effects. This makes the system incredibly sensitive, but it means reports can be missing data, can lack detail, and can contain unintentional (and sometimes intentional) errors. In summary, we cannot determine from these reports that the vaccine caused the reported adverse event.
Bridle's appeal to VAERS without providing context is a common anti-vaccine trope. This article describes the practice in the context of Tucker Carlson's recent vaccine disinformation statements.
For more context, John Oliver's latest video on vaccine misinformation explores the practice of appealing to VAERS, and the tactic of repeatedly "raising concerns" or "just asking questions" from a position of authority without providing answers.
If you'd like to review the data yourself, CAEFISS makes available detailed weekly reports – including visualizations – of the adverse events reported in Canada. If you'd like to learn more about the other parts of Canada's extensive vaccine safety systems, you can do so here, courtesy of the Canadian Paediatric Society. You can also review VAERS data here.

 

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@Geoff.D I wouldn’t expect a nut like @NarrowBandFtw to apologise or admit to having posted erroneous information but you’re normally quite honourable so I’d expect you to retract the “stupid” and “stupid association” comments you made…
 

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you actually think you just proved anything? :unsure:

You posted fake Covid news, is it still a criminal offence to post fake Covid stories in SA?

That website debunks everything Bridle claims, he is just another Covid denier/anti-vaxxer that just happens to have a (veterinary) medical qualification.
 

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peer reviewed study != fake news

try harder covidiot

You see, as long as you show you don’t understand the commonly accepted meaning of a word you just make yourself look stupider with every inane post trying to back up that you posted crap from a complete BS artist. Your post was a prime example of covidiot, you and the covidiot you posted about.

You also didn't answer, is it still a criminal offence to post fake Covid news in SA?
 

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Lot of rumors doing the rounds that Namibia is heading for a hard lockdown, our numbers are going through the roof with 88 dead in a week and rising..... where we were having maybe 8 deaths a week and 130 positive cases a day, this is now 400 - 600 plus a day with 10 -24 deaths......

The Nation are scared for the jab, heard another tale, you cannot get an erection after getting the jab, this goes well with the other rumor that your arm becomes a human magnet.....

That being said, folk that were Ivermectin fans and denialists are all quietly slipping into the local clinic and getting jabs now....

Fear is a big driver....
 
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