International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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Paulsie said:
Not according to @Dave as he is in veterinary and the grant was in human vaccines
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Or maybe you and the other nut are seriously suffering with confirmation bias? The grant was for a study involving MICE, I haven’t seen many mice described as human, when did you see them?

The grant is described by the Government of Ontario here.

Developing Prophylactic Virus-Vectored Vaccines for COVID-19 Byram Bridle, Leonardo Susta and Sarah Wootton (Co-Principal Investigators, University of Guelph); Darwyn Kobasa, National Microbiology Laboratory, Public Health Agency of Canada (Collaborator) University of Guelph

This research aims to develop a vaccination strategy for COVID-19. By developing avian avulavirus (AAvV-1) and adenovirus viral-vectored vaccines expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein as a target antigen, researchers will test these vaccines in mice to identify a way to induce robust protective mucosal (respiratory, gastrointestinal and urogenital tract) and systemic immunity. Mucosal immunity plays a significant role in preventing pathogens from getting into the body. Systemic immunity clears any pathogens that bypass mucosal barriers. After optimization, these vaccines will be evaluated in a hamster challenge model at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg.
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You obviously know far more on the subject so I cannot argue, however these negatives seem to crop up among younger population, that has not yet been exposed to vaccines en mass.

Also VAERS has already reported over 5000 deaths, far far more than what in the past would have been an automatic signal to pause and investigate.

And yes I know VAERS is voluntary and inaccurate, but it has always been recognized as a sufficient early warning system
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Let's not argue let's discuss, one thing is for sure with Covid what you think you know now is likely to be wrong. It's pretty obvious looking at mortality rates of the first wave in "developed" countries critical care got it very wrong. Early intubation and ventilation is a disaster but going on first principles and prior experience suggested that was the way to go.

Back to the topic VAERS is important but remember there is no baseline to compare to. A quick Google shows as of now 2.1 Billion doses of Covid vaccines have been given with 303Million doses in the states.

I'll repeat what I said you are going to either be vaccinated or be infected. Covid is not going to go away. Where does lower risk lie? To me on the front line with real world experience it's a no brainer.
 
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Dave said:
Or maybe you and the other nut are seriously suffering with confirmation bias? The grant was for a study involving MICE, I haven’t seen many mice described as human, when did you see them?



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So?? Not many vaccines are NOT first developed and tested on animals and only then on humans.

My point was that you originally dismissed this guy's knowledge of vaccines and covid based on the fact that he is a veterinarian.

Turns out he might just know a thing or two about viruses.

Just a reminder:
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Just when you think Covidiots can’t get any stranger. Now the vets get to have their say…
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Paulsie said:
My point was that you originally dismissed this guy's knowledge of vaccines and covid based on the fact that he is a veterinarian.
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No, I dismissed him because there are pages and pages of verifiable stuff that says he’s not quite in the room with the actual grownups.
 
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“HARD DATA PROVES BIG PHARMA KNEW COVID VACCINES WOULD WORSEN AND PROLONG THE PANDEMIC”.

HARD DATA PROVES BIG PHARMA KNEW COVID VACCINES WOULD WORSEN AND PROLONG THE PANDEMIC | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary

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Come on y'all, muzzleup stand quietly in line and stand a chance to buy that farm haha
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Why are you sharing complete trash in this thread?

This is worse than what gets thrown into the Wuhan Lab Leak bullshit thread.
 
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CataclysmZA said:
Why are you sharing complete trash in this thread?

This is worse than what gets thrown into the Wuhan Lab Leak bullshit thread.
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Why are you doing your thing here as well? Rather ask where the graph is for Israel? Just shows how easily stats can be manipulated to prove anything.
 
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https://principia-scientific.com/lawyers-open-letter-to-nz-government-on-covid-vaccine-crimes/
" The best expert evidence is that the risk from Covid is similar to the risk from influenza. Many experts are now saying that Covid is simply a rebranding of influenza and colds, supported by PCR testing that was never intended as a diagnostic tool. The WHO says that PCR testing should not be used beyond 20-25 cycles. OIA responses indicate that in NZ PCR tests use up to 45 cycles, which simply multiplies any contamination. "
"deceived by misleading claims in crown propaganda that the jab is “safe and effective”. In these circumstances there can be no “Informed consent”., Each jab without Informed consent is in breach of the Health and Disability Code and is an assault.
 
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Geoff.D said:
Why are you doing your thing here as well?
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I could ask the same thing about you, princess.

But I don't see you being objective here. You like to play the role of the fence-sitter, stirring the pot on both ends.
 
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I could ask the same thing about you, princess.

But I don't see you being objective here. You like to play the role of the fence-sitter, stirring the pot on both ends.
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I am not an expert. I have no irons in the fire. I only want to see the truth come out at some stage and that is NOT going to happen If dissenting voices are stifled without their points of view taken into account.

However, I have said from the outset that my uninformed gut feel tells me this bugger is just too damn perfect and that it leaked out of a lab. So there, I am not sitting on the fence at all.

Each side has experts and it now up to them to prove which scenario is the more likely. Until recently just about everything ever published on the lab-leak/man-made hypothesis has been suppressed, and all we have heard in plenty of is rather ropey "proof" of the wet market hypothesis.

And as to IVM and alternative repurposed medications? I don't sit on the fence either. My view is and has always been, leave the doctors to do their job and use whatever their training tells them will help a patient deal with Covid 19 and hopefully make them better and not die.

So I am not sitting on the fence here either.
BUT I am not going to like many of you do, shoot down the other side of the debate just because of my strongly held views on the matter. Let them prove their case if they can and, so far they have done blow all to find a better answer to prophylaxis, or treatment, except the "stuff" used normally to deal with the flu.
 
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Got my 2nd AZ jab yesterday. This time around, didn't have any side effects. Last time, the following day I felt like I had a hangover.

So the next question is, when will UK start with boosters, probably early 2022?
 
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