International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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Paulsie said:
LOL, misunderstood completely, but never mind.

The point I was making was that the nation that promoted some of the most restrictive lockdowns and was praised for it is the first to turn around to say, we can't get rid of it, let's try and live with it (like the flu).

Which is what some of us here have been saying since the beginning.
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That was always the plan of world health authorities - manage the disease by any means whilst fast tracking vaccines and / or a cure. That is why the development of most vaccines were state funded (partly / wholly). It's not something that you and your sidekick can take credit for ("which is what some of us here have been saying since the beginning").
 
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Geoff.D said:
Yup, NZ and AUS are increasingly becoming huge targets for the virus. And they cannot let their guard down for 1 millisecond. They have no choice.

Does anyone know how the vaccination programme is going in NZ and AUS?
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Multiple cases and outbreaks in different states in Australia, more lockdowns:
www.bbc.com

Australia Covid: Outbreaks emerge across country in 'new phase' of pandemic

For the first time in a year, Australia is battling outbreaks in different parts of the country.
www.bbc.com
 
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Gordon_R said:
Multiple cases and outbreaks in different states in Australia, more lockdowns:
www.bbc.com

Australia Covid: Outbreaks emerge across country in 'new phase' of pandemic

For the first time in a year, Australia is battling outbreaks in different parts of the country.
www.bbc.com
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If the borders are controlled and the virus not getting in that way, what is triggering these outbreaks?
Virus dormant and inactive in existing hosts?
Anyone seen any research into this possibility?
 
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Geoff.D said:
If the borders are controlled and the virus not getting in that way, what is triggering these outbreaks?
Virus dormant and inactive in existing hosts?
Anyone seen any research into this possibility?
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The article gives a brief answer. Their borders are not 100% closed, and neither quarantine nor testing are perfect:
While the two cases in Western Australia have been traced to the Sydney outbreak, the positive cases in Queensland and the Northern Territory have been linked to people who became infected despite completing hotel quarantine.
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Outbreak of common colds in Antarctica base .. whenever big temp drop reasonable chance of dormant virus being triggered https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/
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Thanks. I am aware of that study. Rather surprised at the lack of newer studies and particularly studies into coronaviruses are so scarce/difficult to find.

It seems to me that very little is known about what happens to these viruses when outbreaks diminish/appear to dissapear.
 
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Brilliant new paper on the efficacy of lockdowns (or not, as it happens): https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28930/w28930.pdf

"As a way of slowing COVID-19 transmission, many countries and U.S. states implemented shelter-in-place (SIP) policies. However, the effects of SIP policies on public health are a priori ambiguous as they might have unintended adverse effects on health. The effect of SIP policies on COVID-19 transmission and physical mobility is mixed. To understand the net effects of SIP policies, we measure the change in excess deaths following the implementation of SIP policies in 43 countries and all U.S. states. We use an event study framework to quantify changes in the number of excess deaths after the implementation of a SIP policy. We find that following the implementation of SIP policies, excess mortality increases. The increase in excess mortality is statistically significant in the immediate weeks following SIP implementation for the international comparison only and occurs despite the fact that there was a decline in the number of excess deaths prior to the implementation of the policy. At the U.S. state-level, excess mortality increases in the immediate weeks following SIP introduction and then trends below zero following 20 weeks of SIP implementation. We failed to find that countries or U.S. states that implemented SIP policies earlier, and in which SIP policies had longer to operate, had lower excess deaths than countries/U.S. states that were slower to implement SIP policies. We also failed to observe differences in excess death trends before and after the implementation of SIP policies based on pre-SIP COVID-19 death rates."

Ha:

Interestingly, in only three nations did lockdowns appear to reduce excess mortality, according to the NBER study: Australia, Malta and New Zealand. Either each nation shared uniquely brilliant health bureaucrats, alongside hyper-compliant populations or they had the good fortune to be islands. You pick.
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Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-june-25-2021
Today, the FDA is announcing revisions to the patient and provider fact sheets for the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines regarding the suggested increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart) following vaccination. For each vaccine, the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) has been revised to include a warning about myocarditis and pericarditis and the Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers has been revised to include information about myocarditis and pericarditis. This update follows an extensive review of information and the discussion by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices meeting on Wednesday. The data presented at this meeting reinforced the FDA’s decision to revise the fact sheets and further informed the specific revisions. The warning in the Fact Sheets for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccines notes that reports of adverse events suggest increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly following the second dose and with onset of symptoms within a few days after vaccination.
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Geoff.D said:
If the borders are controlled and the virus not getting in that way, what is triggering these outbreaks?
Virus dormant and inactive in existing hosts?
Anyone seen any research into this possibility?
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More detailed article on the specific gaps in the Australian quarantine system, poor vaccine rollout and public resistance, and greater threat from the Delta variant:
www.bbc.com

Covid: How Delta exposed Australia's pandemic weaknesses

Australia's most dangerous virus surge in a year has prompted lockdowns and calls for faster vaccinations.
www.bbc.com
 
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