International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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Azg said:
As far as I can tell that is what the whole world is aiming for (e.g. look at Europe opening up for the Euros based on vaccination).
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And what happens when a new variant comes along or they discover that plenty of people are still going to get infected and die?

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That was always the plan of world health authorities - manage the disease by any means whilst fast tracking vaccines and / or a cure. That is why the development of most vaccines were state funded (partly / wholly). It's not something that you and your sidekick can take credit for ("which is what some of us here have been saying since the beginning").
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Firstly it wouldn't be the first time the goalposts were moved. It is what happened with lockdowns. Secondly there has been a concerted effort to downplay the vaccines and already signs of moving the goalposts.

When are they going to catch up with the virus? Living with the threat of influenza means accepting that any protections we have are only partially effective and that no matter what we do thousands of people in every country are going to be killed by it every year. Are people ready to accept deaths from COVID-19?

They'd actually hoped vaccines would stop the virus in its tracks. That's why they were heavily funded and pushed through.

Accepting it ultimately means accepting whatever percentage protection is offered by vaccines, accepting that you can't stop it and unconditionally dropping all restrictions.

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Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-june-25-2021
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So this means it is potentially dangerous to engage in exercise after receiving those vaccines. As in doing so could kill you.

buka001 said:
Israel says hi!
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They're a good example of the backtracking.
 
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Significant finding from peer-reviewed research... "[For] adults up to age 60, being obese was associated with nearly ALL the risk that Covid would lead to intensive care or death. The findings held even after they adjusted for many different potential confounding factors, like smoking, non-weight-related illnesses, and wealth." https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(21)00089-9/fulltext
 
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www.bbc.com

Covid: Unvaccinated most at risk from Delta variant

There have been nearly 30,000 new cases of the variant in the UK in the past week.
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Analysis of hospital admission rates suggests people infected by the Delta variant are twice as likely to end up in hospital than those with Alpha.

The numbers are still small, however.

Out of 33,000 cases analysed by PHE and confirmed to be the Delta variant since February, 223 have been admitted to hospital - most were unvaccinated or had only had only dose, and 20 people were fully vaccinated

And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before.
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Article from 2 weeks ago
 
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Cage Rattler said:
UK Delta variant .. fully vaxxed death rate vs positive cases over 8 times higher than unvaxxed death rate vs positive cases. https://assets.publishing.service.g...ants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
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Can we please stop with the dis-information, bssed on misunderstanding of statistics:
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Covid: Misleading stat claims more vaccinated people die

Vaccines reduce the risk of death but do not eliminate it completely.
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One conspiracy site even claimed vaccinated people were dying at higher rates than those who had not received the jab, which is untrue.

This site and others use real figures in a misleading way, to arrive at a completely false conclusion - that the vaccine may not be working or even doing more harm than good.
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Gordon_R said:
Can we please stop with the dis-information, bssed on misunderstanding of statistics:
www.bbc.com

Covid: Misleading stat claims more vaccinated people die

Vaccines reduce the risk of death but do not eliminate it completely.
www.bbc.com
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How is that a misinformation???

92,029 cases of covid, 58% (53,376) unvaccinated, 8% (7,362) fully vaccinated. Yes, a clear indication that vaccines work to lower infection rates.

Then into deaths, which totaled 117.

43% (50) of them were fully vaccinated. That means that 50/7362 = 0.6% die, as opposed to 67/53,376 = 0.1%.

Yes it doesn't take into consideration all those vaccinated that did not get sick. It also does not take into consideration all those that did not get sick without vaccines.

What the above numbers portray is that if you get sick, you're more likely to die of covid (delta variant) while vaccinated than not.

If the above is incorrect, than their numbers and reporting is inaccurate and needs to be corrected or explained.
 
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Paulsie said:
How is that a misinformation???

92,029 cases of covid, 58% (53,376) unvaccinated, 8% (7,362) fully vaccinated. Yes, a clear indication that vaccines work to lower infection rates.

Then into deaths, which totaled 117.

43% (50) of them were fully vaccinated. That means that 50/7362 = 0.6% die, as opposed to 67/53,376 = 0.1%.

Yes it doesn't take into consideration all those vaccinated that did not get sick. It also does not take into consideration all those that did not get sick without vaccines.

What the above numbers portray is that if you get sick, you're more likely to die of covid (delta variant) while vaccinated than not.

If the above is incorrect, than their numbers and reporting is inaccurate and needs to be corrected or explained.
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en.wikipedia.org

Lies, damned lies, and statistics - Wikipedia

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There is more to it than raw numbers now as the cohorts are vastly different.
Those vaccinated first and during the reporting period were old people and those with comorbidities compared to the unvaccinated who were younger.
It's actually getting more difficult to compare things with the age groups, different vaccines, variants and natural immunity.

Overall though it is clear vaccines are still providing a huge benefit. They have broken the cases to deaths link.
 
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Brawler said:
en.wikipedia.org

Lies, damned lies, and statistics - Wikipedia

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There is more to it than raw numbers now as the cohorts are vastly different.
Those vaccinated first and during the reporting period were old people and those with comorbidities compared to the unvaccinated who were younger.
It's actually getting more difficult to compare things with the age groups, different vaccines, variants and natural immunity.

Overall though it is clear vaccines are still providing a huge benefit. They have broken the cases to deaths link.
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Statistics are often counter-intuitive. It helps to start with Bayes Theorem. The probability of an event depends on previous pathways taken, and you can't just compare percentages from different cohorts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_theorem
For example, if the risk of developing health problems is known to increase with age, Bayes' theorem allows the risk to an individual of a known age to be assessed more accurately (by conditioning it on their age) than simply assuming that the individual is typical of the population as a whole.
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In the UK the vaccine rollout was first targeted at older age-groups, so the vaccinated cohort is not representative of the whole population. Similarly the unvaccinated cohort is under-represented of the at-risk age-group.
 
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Gordon_R said:
Statistics are often counter-intuitive. It helps to start with Bayes Theorem. The probability of an event depends on previous pathways taken, and you can't just compare percentages from different cohorts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_theorem

In the UK the vaccine rollout was first targeted at older age-groups, so the vaccinated cohort is not representative of the whole population. Similarly the unvaccinated cohort is under-represented of the at-risk age-group.
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I can understand that. I just wish the authors of these articles themselves did not make such comparisons.

A comparison of cases vs deaths in vaccinated over 50 vs cases vs deaths in unvacinated over 50 last year would have been far more accurate and relevant information.
 
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Million Pfizer jabs face being dumped after Israel-UK swap deal fails​


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Million Pfizer jabs face being dumped after Israel-UK swap deal fails

Israel says technical issues have scuppered deal to give UK Covid vaccines expiring on 30 July
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“There were discussions between Israel and the United Kingdom regarding the possibility of transmitting vaccines, but unfortunately, despite the will of both parties, for technical reasons, this did not succeed,” said a foreign ministry spokesperson.
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I wonder what the technical reasons are? Shipping?
 
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