International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[Lupus]

Australians must be very confused that cases are rising despite being 2 weeks in lockdown (an additional week was added a few days ago):

Gladys Berejiklian warns of ‘prolonged lockdown’ after NSW records 50 new Covid cases

NSW premier reports 47 people in hospital with Covid, 16 of which are in intensive care, including a teenager

www.theguardian.com

It's almost as if lockdowns don't work.

 

[Paulsie]

It's almost as if lockdowns don't work.

It's the belief that "if we only do the right thing...", we will be able to ride it out indefinitely...

 

[mak2000]

It's almost as if lockdowns don't work.

There is a incubation period, that's why once you get the virus it could take upto a week or more for the symptoms to show up.. ..meanwhile while asymptomatic you pass it on to others.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

 

[daveza]

Lockdowns don't work because we don't have lockdowns.

 

[Paulsie]

Lockdowns don't work because we don't have lockdowns.

Who does?

 

[dusi]

Details of the genetic makeup of some of the earliest samples of coronavirus in China were removed from an American database where they were initially stored at the request of Chinese researchers, U.S. officials confirmed, adding to concerns over secrecy surrounding the outbreak and its origins.

Early coronavirus samples were removed from a U.S. database at the request of Chinese researchers

The confirmation has added to concerns about secrecy surrounding the origins of the outbreak.

fortune.com

 

[Rolene]

From your own chart, you see that peak, from January to March 2021, which outranks the first one between March and May 2020? Yes, it is causing havoc, hence the reason they introduced restrictions once again this year. This is undoubtedly not their last peak. This is not the end of the virus, even if rates came down, as you can see between May 2020 and October 2020.

New variants will come. More peaks will come. More will die. Unless they quickly find a treatment for this virus.

 

[noxibox]

Lots of budding authoritarians in the UK if these poll results are to be believed

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I can even understand there being support for Until covid-19 is under control globally, leaving aside the question of what under control means. But the only response to anyone supporting things like mandatory quarantine or keeping nightclubs closed forever is WTF. I mean whether or not someone would want to go to a nightclub themselves what kind of sour misanthrope does one have to be to deny others from going? Never mind the ridiculous impracticality of trying to maintain physical distancing in places like theatres.

Unless they quickly find a treatment for this virus.

They already have treatments.

 

[rvZA]

They already have treatments.

They have nothing.

 

[noxibox]

There is a incubation period, that's why once you get the virus it could take upto a week or more for the symptoms to show up.. ..meanwhile while asymptomatic you pass it on to others.

Since the media time is under 7 days half will have symptoms by that time, so you should see an impact in less than 2 weeks. Additionally they aren't spreading right from the moment of exposure. We have though conveniently helped the virus evolve towards more general spread rather than relying on a small number of the infected to act as super-spreaders.

Lockdowns don't work because we don't have lockdowns.

What is the objective definition of a lockdown? Can we have a set of criteria we can use to test something to see whether it qualifies?

 

[noxibox]

They have nothing.

So why does anyone bother going to hospitals? Why get oxygen to use at home? Why give people medications?

No overloading of hospitals, no stress on health workers, because there are no treatments. Sorry, nothing we can do, so you might as well just go home.

Of course since there are treatments they do in fact admit people to hospital.

 

[rvZA]

So why does anyone bother going to hospitals? Why get oxygen to use at home? Why give people medications?

No overloading of hospitals, no stress on health workers, because there are no treatments. Sorry, nothing we can do, so you might as well just go home.

Of course since there are treatments they do in fact admit people to hospital.

Still no treatment available for Covid. They treat your current symptoms at hospitals, such as Pneumonia. They put you on oxygen, anti-biotics and eventually, when needed on ventilators. Currently, many, if not most, who end up on ventilators die.

In fact, in all hospitals there are no more beds with Ventilators. So, you are left in a normal ward to die. You are considered lucky if you need a ventilator and they can put you on one.

Also, when you contract Covid and are not hospitalized, a doctor will not give you medicine for Covid. They will give you medicine to try and prevent things like Pneumonia while you have Covid. They will try and boost your immune system with medicine to give your boday a fighting chance against the virus. Even these medicine are not a guarantee you will survive Covid.

As for Covid itself, there is no treatment.

 

[Geoff.D]

Still no treatment available for Covid. They treat your current symptoms at hospitals, such as Pneumonia. They put you on oxygen, anti-biotics and eventually, when needed on ventilators. Currently, many, if not most, who end up on ventilators die.

In fact, in all hospitals there are no more beds with Ventilators. So, you are left in a normal ward to die. You are considered lucky if you need a ventilator and they can put you on one.

Also, when you contract Covid and are not hospitalized, a doctor will not give you medicine for Covid. They will give you medicine to try and prevent things like Pneumonia while you have Covid. They will try and boost your immune system with medicine to give your boday a fighting chance against the virus. Even these medicine are not a guarantee you will survive Covid.

As for Covid itself, there is no treatment.

Except as we have recently found out, one called Remdevisir, now available in SA, but expensive and MAs wont pay, so only the filthy rich, lucky enough to be treated by a handful of doctors will be offered it provided they agree to pay for it.
One poster claims its use is widespread in SA.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Lots of budding authoritarians in the UK if these poll results are to be believed

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Apparently a sample pool of 1066 and no one under 55 ..... I'd laugh at that like everyone I know is

 

[Temujin]

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Accepting you are mortal and people die around the world everyday is now right wing racist white supremacy

 

[rvZA]

Except as we have recently found out, one called Remdevisir, now available in SA, but expensive and MAs wont pay, so only the filthy rich, lucky enough to be treated by a handful of doctors will be offered it provided they agree to pay for it.
One poster claims its use is widespread in SA.

If Remdevisir is indeed the answer to combat and get rid of Covid, governments across the board should sacrifice the big pharma company that holds the patents and make it available to all manufacturers. Place a pricing cap on what they could charge. Make it affordable, allow countries across the globe to manufacture and distribute it. Get rid of the virus. When you need to decide about the future of mankind vs the future of a big pharma company, the decision is easy.

 

[Geoff.D]

If Remdevisir is indeed the answer to combat and get rid of Covid, governments across the board should sacrifice the big pharma company that holds the patents and make it available to all manufacturers. Place a pricing cap on what they could charge. Make it affordable, allow countries across the globe to manufacture and distribute it. Get rid of the virus. When you need to decide about the future of mankind vs the future of a big pharma company, the decision is easy.

Absolutely agree. But check out the comparative tables on any of the IVM threads to see how effective it is as a treatment and then you see it is a mediocre med at best. It also has no particular benefit as a preventative measure, and I have just read a comment about it also negatively impacting on the effectiveness of a vaccine. So, now there are concerns that it should not be used on a vaccinated person and that a person should not be vaccinated too soon after been given Remdevisir.

 

[Lupus]

If Remdevisir is indeed the answer to combat and get rid of Covid, governments across the board should sacrifice the big pharma company that holds the patents and make it available to all manufacturers. Place a pricing cap on what they could charge. Make it affordable, allow countries across the globe to manufacture and distribute it. Get rid of the virus. When you need to decide about the future of mankind vs the future of a big pharma company, the decision is easy.

The future of mankind?? Do you listen to yourself? Are you in the dramatic arts??

 

[rvZA]

Absolutely agree. But check out the comparative tables on any of the IVM threads to see how effective it is as a treatment and then you see it is a mediocre med at best. It also has no particular benefit as a preventative measure, and I have just read a comment about it also negatively impacting on the effectiveness of a vaccine. So, now there are concerns that it should not be used on a vaccinated person and that a person should not be vaccinated too soon after been given Remdevisir.

If it is effective in treating the virus for those getting sick, or even getting hospitalized, then I say fine. Use it. Get rid of the vaccines, which will no longer be needed. If it is not at least 95% effective in treating the virus, then it is not the answer.