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Paulsie

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It's official. Pfizer got its approval.

Edit: I see Dave beat me to it
 
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Why do you think this is? I wonder if using different vaccines helps with immunity at a population level? In Israel they used Pfizer on everyone, while in the UK they used Pfizer and AstraZeneca.

He goes onto to explain (purely speculative though): .

Also I've seen stats from the UK that show in excess of 90% coverage of the elderly age groups, sometimes as high as 95%. Not sure if it is that high for those age groups in Israel.

A final factor is UK has relied heavily on the Oxford/AZ vaccine while Israel exclusively uses Pfizer.
 

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There are people on this forum who love what Australia is doing. They wish we here in SA were still doing these kind of lunatic meaures. After all it is for our own good. Remember Sweden is the bad guy - definitely not Australia.
 

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Just came across a very interesting letter of warning written by a pro-vaccine immunologist to the FDA back in January.

Relates to a possible harm in vaccinating those with antibodies already present.


As an immunologist with a good understanding of how antigen specific immune responses could cause organ and tissue specific damage, I am recommending to you, as our lead FDA regulators, not to gloss over the real possibility that vaccinating persons with pre-existing SARS-CoV-2 viral antigens in their tissues could cause that subset of people grave immunological harm — and especially the frail with cardiovascular disease.
Additionally, if the immunological risk I am prognosticating herein is in reality material, over the next months as millions more Americans are immunized, it will become quite visible to the public.
Can you imagine if the public, without having received any real warning from FDA, becomes aware of an increasing number of such vascular/thromboembolic complications following vaccination? What do you suppose will happen to the level of “vaccine hesitancy” then? And, what kind of accountability do you think the public will demand from our experts and federal regulators — especially if they knew, or should have known, that this immunological danger might exist?
Thromboembolic complications, within days to weeks following activation of a vaccine induced antigen specific immune response, in elderly frail vasculopaths, will not register as classical “vaccine related complications”….Nor will inflammatory COVID-19 like diseases triggered by vaccination of the infected.
 

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Just came across a very interesting letter of warning written by a pro-vaccine immunologist to the FDA back in January.

Relates to a possible harm in vaccinating those with antibodies already present.


 

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Thanks, I guess we will have to see if there is no evidence.

At least, for once, this was an interesting fact check to read.
 

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This australian lady explains australia and how they have, in our eyes, lost their minds, but we're the problem, its just australia being australia
 

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There are people on this forum who love what Australia is doing. They wish we here in SA were still doing these kind of lunatic meaures. After all it is for our own good. Remember Sweden is the bad guy - definitely not Australia.
Sweden's not a bad guy, just the failure of Scandanavia.
 

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Is Peru then the 'failure' of the world? And strictly locked down New Jersey and New York the 'failures' of the USA?
Or is just naughty Sweden a failure?

Oh, I was talking about Scandanavia. Comparing apples with apples etc.
 

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A new paper out of the University of Pennsylvania shows SARS-CoV-2-specific memory B-cell responses are robustly induced following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination AND continue to increase in frequency for at least six months.
link

TLDR : Unfortunately for our scare mongering media. Unless you are immunocompromised or elderly , you don't need a booster.
 

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As posted in the FDA approval thread, which some of you may not follow..

Just read the actual FDA approval letter and it appears as follows:

- the current Pfizer vaccine is still under the emergency authorization, which has been extended in its entirety
- it is the Biontech vaccine under the trade name Comirnaty that has been granted authorization
- they can be used interchangeably
- according to the FDA these products are of the same composition but are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact effectiveness or safety

Why?

Edit: it doesn't cover the 12-15 year old, so looks like they kept the EUA for that
 
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Dave

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As posted in the FDA approval thread, which some of you may not follow..

Just read the actual FDA approval letter and it appears as follows:

- the current Pfizer vaccine is still under the emergency authorization, which has been extended in its entirety
- it is the Biontech vaccine under the trade name Comirnaty that has been granted authorization
- they can be used interchangeably
- according to the FDA these products are of the same composition but are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact effectiveness or safety

Why?

No, Paulsie, what has happened is that the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine has been approved and it has been given a trade name, Cominarty.

Any more than that you’re reading extra into the words.

As an example, the EU already refer to the vaccine under EU emergency authorisation as Cominarty.

 

Paulsie

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No, Paulsie, what has happened is that the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine has been approved and it has been given a trade name, Cominarty.

Any more than that you’re reading extra into the words.

As an example, the EU already refer to the vaccine under EU emergency authorisation as Cominarty.

Check out page 2 with reference point 8.


The updated Pfizer sheet for health providers (23.08.) also states EMU and lists Comirmaty as an alternative to be offered (page 12)

 
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