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Paulsie

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Don't see the point of this article. Quite a mess of conflicting things. Very confusing to read.
Maybe look up the actual study??

Basically, it settles whether natural immunity or vaccine provides better protection. Natural immunity all the way!! Although natural immunity + vaccine is better still.

The outcome is that natural immunity is just as good, if not better than vaccine induced one. As such, a proof of previous infection should be recognized as such and should form part of the vaccine passport record.

Study conclusion as follows:
Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

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Maybe look up the actual study??

Basically, it settles whether natural immunity or vaccine provides better protection. Natural immunity all the way!! Although natural immunity + vaccine is better still.

The outcome is that natural immunity is just as good, if not better than vaccine induced one. As such, a proof of previous infection should be recognized as such and should form part of the vaccine passport record.

Study conclusion as follows:


And a link


It's a preprint so needs peer review.

So far it's also not a good study.

“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.

She adds: “The biggest limitation in the study is that testing [for SARS-CoV-2 infection] is still a voluntary thing—it’s not part of the study design.” That means, she says, that comparisons could be confounded if, for example, previously infected people who developed mild symptoms were less likely to get tested than vaccinated people, perhaps because they think they are immune.

So no, it doesn't settle anything. It's also Israel so it would have to be redone in other areas.

Still VAC is recommended despite any previous infection and decing who was and who wasn't won't be feasible so previously infected will need to get two shots any how. Likewise we don't know how long this immunity works.

With some of our vaccines we actually see increase in immune response with time. J&J for example has increases over 8 months. So It's not even clear this is better.

More data is needed and peer review must still be done.
 

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Besides, people, once you get vaccinated, it's not as if you're not longer exposed to the virus. You can have repeat exposures and mild infections. Your immune system will be re-stimulated each time. And yes, air way mucosa this time. So you'll get your IgA.
 

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VACCINE VALIDITY CONUNDRUM

While scientists are still examining the efficacy of the vaccines which are currently in use, there are concerns about the period of efficacy of the vaccines. Two countries have already put time limits on the validity of vaccination certificates for international visitors.

Austria will only accept international travellers who have been fully vaccinated within 270 days of travel. Croatia has also imposed restrictions on vaccine validity. It will only allow entry to those who received their second shot within 210 days of travel.

This means for example, that travellers who have received their second dose in August this year, will be able to visit Austria up to a date in May 2022, and Croatia only up to a date in March 2022.
 

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Renewed your subscription plan? Israeli Ministry of Heath has just announced that anyone who waits more than six months after their 2nd jab without having a third one, is officially unvaccinated.
 

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Renewed your subscription plan? Israeli Ministry of Heath has just announced that anyone who waits more than six months after their 2nd jab without having a third one, is officially unvaccinated.

Have you heard of linking to show veracity of statements?

If anyone wants to read what the actual announcement was:


The third coronavirus vaccine was made available on Sunday to all Israelis who have been fully inoculated for at least five months, Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz announced. In addition, those who receive the booster will be exempt from isolation when they enter the country from abroad.

In a press conference on Sunday, authorities announced that starting October 1 a green pass will only be available for the following: people who were vaccinated twice in less than five months, people who received a booster, people who recovered from COVID within six months, or people who recovered and received one jab.

Public Health Services head Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis stressed that according to the data the ministry has gathered, people who received a booster are ten times more protected from infection and serious symptoms compared to those who received only two doses.
 

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people who received a booster are ten times more protected from infection and serious symptoms compared to those who received only two doses.
Not bad at all!
But why say "ten times more" when they could have said (for example) "9.5 to 10.4 times more", so that it does not sound like an advertisement...
 

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Not bad at all!
But why say "ten times more" when they could have said (for example) "9.5 to 10.4 times more", so that it does not sound like an advertisement...

Probably to prevent all the anti-vaxxers trying to twist the statement?
 

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Have you heard of linking to show veracity of statements?

If anyone wants to read what the actual announcement was:


The third coronavirus vaccine was made available on Sunday to all Israelis who have been fully inoculated for at least five months, Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz announced. In addition, those who receive the booster will be exempt from isolation when they enter the country from abroad.

In a press conference on Sunday, authorities announced that starting October 1 a green pass will only be available for the following: people who were vaccinated twice in less than five months, people who received a booster, people who recovered from COVID within six months, or people who recovered and received one jab.

Public Health Services head Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis stressed that according to the data the ministry has gathered, people who received a booster are ten times more protected from infection and serious symptoms compared to those who received only two doses.
What exactly did he say wrong? If you did not receive a booster or your Vax is older than 5 months, you don't qualify for green pass. Ie your vaccination status is same as that of the unvaccinated.
 

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What exactly did he say wrong?

He didn’t SAY anything wrong, I didn’t SAY he did, what I brought up was his usual trolling method of just making a statement of fact without supplying a source link.

No linky naughty, ok?
 

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The outcome is that natural immunity is just as good, if not better than vaccine induced one. As such, a proof of previous infection should be recognized as such and should form part of the vaccine passport record.
In every "vaccine passport" that I have looked into( and that is for travel not particularly interested in night clubs and restaurants ), previous recent infection is equated to vaccination.
 

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Two Japanese regions suspended use of some Moderna Covid-19 shots on Sunday after more cases of contamination were spotted, the local governments said.

The move came a day after the Japanese health ministry said it was investigating the death of two men who received doses from other tainted Moderna batches ― though the cause of death is unknown.
 

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Lol, look who's trolling..

President Joe Biden exaggerated when he spoke about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccine during a CNN town hall. "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said
"This is a simple, basic proposition: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you’re not going to die," Biden said.
 

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