International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[AdrianH]

And we don't want your Delta plus bugs either! And you better see that you get your booster shot at least 28 days before your scheduled departure from the UK.

You can, vaccine doesn't affect PCR tests.

 

[Geoff.D]

Do you even know how to read this table? It shows that the mortality rate per 100,000 people is WAY HIGHER among those who are not fully vaccinated.

Once again, a classic example of losing sight of the denominator and failing miserably to interpret the statistical values correctly. On BOTH sides of this debate by the way.

 

[SoldierMan]

Reuters have shown this to be nonsense.

Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated

Refiling to remove duplicated phrase "fully vaccinated" in paragraph nine

www.reuters.com

This about Scotland, NOT Britain. They are two ENTIRELY different topics.

The figures are from the official Scottish website, so unless they have been hacked you are comparing oranges and tennis balls.

Public Health Scotland

publichealthscotland.scot

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10091/21-11-10-covid19-publication_report.pdf

 

[Geoff.D]

You can, vaccine doesn't affect PCR tests.

The issue is to make sure your immunity is at its best before departure to ensure you do not become a silent carrier of the bugs. And IF you believe all the hype, that your ability to pass on the bug to others' is at its lowest possible level.

 

[AdrianH]

This about Scotland, NOT Britain. They are two ENTIRELY different topics.

The figures are from the official Scottish website, so unless they have been hacked you are comparing oranges and tennis balls.

Public Health Scotland

publichealthscotland.scot

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10091/21-11-10-covid19-publication_report.pdf

Same maths applies. It's the mortality reassure that matters, not the actual death count. You can only use the death count if the vaccinated and unvaccinated are of equal numbers.

 

[The Voice]

This about Scotland, NOT Britain. They are two ENTIRELY different topics.

The figures are from the official Scottish website, so unless they have been hacked you are comparing oranges and tennis balls.

Public Health Scotland

publichealthscotland.scot

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10091/21-11-10-covid19-publication_report.pdf

You do know where Scotland is though, right? Any COVID stats in Scotland will directly affect the BRITISH stats.

 

[AdrianH]

You do know where Scotland is though, right? Any COVID stats in Scotland will directly affect the BRITISH stats.

I wanted to say that, but didn't want to muddy the waters.

 

[tetrasect]

From the official website:

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10091/21-11-10-covid19-publication_report.pdf

LOL you conveniently left out the text under the table. Seriously dude... why do you keep falling for this crap without reading or trying to understand stuff?

 

[Spizz]

This about Scotland, NOT Britain. They are two ENTIRELY different topics.

The figures are from the official Scottish website, so unless they have been hacked you are comparing oranges and tennis balls.

Public Health Scotland

publichealthscotland.scot

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/10091/21-11-10-covid19-publication_report.pdf

Here, read this and the penny might drop. Your link is a rehash of people trying to keep the lie going, but it’s the same principal.

PolitiFact - Claim on COVID-19 in UK ignores data showing death more likely for unvaccinated

A long headline on a United Kingdom website painted an apocalyptic picture of the pandemic there, starting with this cla

www.politifact.com

“A full reading of the statistics shows that the unvaccinated in Scotland die at a rate much higher than the fully vaccinated.”

 

[SoldierMan]

Same maths applies. It's the mortality reassure that matters, not the actual death count. You can only use the death count if the vaccinated and unvaccinated are of equal numbers.

But we are constantly told that getting vaccinated almost guarantees no death, maybe a little hospitalisation but certainly no death - has that now changed?

Well.... yes the vaccine protects you but you still might die! Oh great!

 

[tetrasect]

Once again, a classic example of losing sight of the denominator and failing miserably to interpret the statistical values correctly. On BOTH sides of this debate by the way.

So tell us what is the "correct" way to interpret the statistical values?

 

[Spizz]

But we are constantly told that getting vaccinated almost guarantees no death, maybe a little hospitalisation but certainly no death - has that now changed?

Well.... yes the vaccine protects you but you still might die! Oh great!

I’ll post it agin since you like the Scottish figures.

“A full reading of the statistics shows that the unvaccinated in Scotland die at a rate much higher than the fully vaccinated.”

 

[SoldierMan]

LOL you conveniently left out the text under the table. Seriously dude... why do you keep falling for this crap without reading or trying to understand stuff?

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Between October 2nd and 29th the vaccinated still accounted for 89% of deaths. That should not be possible given that they are VACCINATED.

We are told that being vaccinated almost guarantees no death, only a stay in hospital but death shouldn't be a factor. Has that changed, are the vaccines getting less and less effective or what is going on then?

 

[Spizz]

Between October 2nd and 29th the vaccinated still accounted for 89% of deaths. That should not be possible given that they are VACCINATED.

We are told that being vaccinated almost guarantees no death, only a stay in hospital but death shouldn't be a factor. Has that changed, are the vaccines getting less and less effective or what is going on then?

Phew. Here it is again. Not sure what you are not getting.

“A full reading of the statistics shows that the unvaccinated in Scotland die at a rate much higher than the fully vaccinated.”

 

[AdrianH]

But we are constantly told that getting vaccinated almost guarantees no death, maybe a little hospitalisation but certainly no death - has that now changed?

Well.... yes the vaccine protects you but you still might die! Oh great!

Who said getting vaccinated almost guarantees no deaths?

From what I read, after 2nd vaccination your chances of NOT getting seriously ill and possibly dying is 93% if you get infected, which drops to around 50% after 6 months. This is what I have always understood.

A more important metric to look at is the numbers showing infections vs deaths before vaccinations, and the same numbers after vaccinations. I posted this article and graphs a few weeks ago. Ultimately it shows the even though infections were around the same 12 months ago and now, the hospitalizations and deaths were significantly lower due to vaccines having the desired effects.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Jesus christ these av's are beyond thick

 

[Geoff.D]

Sorry mate, but the original source for the blog post article is The Expose, which is rightfully censored on Google, Facebook and Twitter (it even says so on the site), and completely reader-funded. So I'm going to have to call bullshit on all those figures.

A typical response of someone who does not do his homework and check the actual source of the data first.

Now that you know where the data really comes from, is it still BS? or is it a valid source but the data being incorrectly analysed and interpreted?

 

[Geoff.D]

Same maths applies. It's the mortality reassure that matters, not the actual death count. You can only use the death count if the vaccinated and unvaccinated are of equal numbers.

No not true. The correct use of the stats will allow you to use both, BUT then you need to know HOW to interpret the data correctly.

 

[tetrasect]

Who said getting vaccinated almost guarantees no deaths?

From what I read, after 2nd vaccination your chances of NOT getting seriously ill and possibly dying is 93% if you get infected, which drops to around 50% after 6 months. This is what I have always understood.

A more important metric to look at is the numbers showing infections vs deaths before vaccinations, and the same numbers after vaccinations. I posted this article and graphs a few weeks ago. Ultimately it shows the even though infections were around the same 12 months ago and now, the hospitalizations and deaths were significantly lower due to vaccines having the desired effects.

From that same report:

Two vaccine doses, whether the AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) or the Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty) vaccine, are over 90 per cent effective at preventing deaths from the Delta variant of COVID-19.

Results show that adults aged 18-64 who are double vaccinated have almost four times increased protection against dying from COVID-19 compared to those who are unvaccinated. The figures are even more stark for those who are older, with double vaccinated adults aged 65-79 experiencing 15.5 times greater protection against death than their unvaccinated peers, and for adults over 80, this increased to 30 times higher.

 

[tetrasect]

No not true. The correct use of the stats will allow you to use both, BUT then you need to know HOW to interpret the data correctly.

So tell us what is the "correct" way to interpret the statistical values?

I would really like to see how your methods compare to those of "Public Health Scotland".