International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[AdrianH]

No not true. The correct use of the stats will allow you to use both, BUT then you need to know HOW to interpret the data correctly.

Interpret is the keyword. Regarding that article, if you want to say more people with vaccines died of COVID than unvaccinated for a specific period, then its true in that very specific context by purposely ignoring the other numbers of the dataset to suit a narrative.

That table 20 should have also included vaccinated and unvaccinated counts, and actually see the ratio between the two groups. They already used the two counts though and did the maths to calculate the per 100000 mortality rate and it's shows that you have higher chance of dying from COVID if haven't been vaccinated as opposed to having your 2nd jab. The only way to misinterpret that is to deliberately refuse to accept the numbers in that dataset.

 

[Geoff.D]

I would really like to see how your methods compare to those of "Public Health Scotland".

I don't have to compare my methods with that of PHS. That is NOT the debate. They publish the data, they do the quantitative analysis and then they provide a qualitative analysis, which they then publish. Then it is up to the reader to interpret what they say correctly, and that IS where you lot fail dismally on both sides of the debate. And that is why neither side gets their point across.

 

[SoldierMan]

Interpret is the keyword. Regarding that article, if you want to say more people with vaccines died of COVID than unvaccinated for a specific period, then its true in that very specific context by purposely ignoring the other numbers of the dataset to suit a narrative.

That table 20 should have also included vaccinated and unvaccinated counts, and actually see the ratio between the two groups. They already used the two counts though and did the maths to calculate the per 100000 mortality rate and it's shows that you have higher chance of dying from COVID if haven't been vaccinated as opposed to having your 2nd jab. The only way to misinterpret that is to deliberately refuse to accept the numbers in that dataset.

My point is that you should never have that kind of % difference if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. The definition of a vaccine should be changed then.

 

[buka001]

Link not working. What’s the recommended gap between second and third?

6 months. Put me in line for mine in January.

 

[tetrasect]

I don't have to compare my methods with that of PHS. That is NOT the debate. They publish the data, they do the quantitative analysis and then they provide a qualitative analysis, which they then publish. Then it is up to the reader to interpret what they say correctly, and that IS where you lot fail dismally on both sides of the debate. And that is why neither side gets their point across.

You accused me of "failing miserably to interpret the statistical values correctly." when I said exactly what PHS stated on that report. So therefore you are also accusing PHS of "failing miserably to interpret the statistical values correctly.", which is why I am asking you how your interpretation differs.

 

[Geoff.D]

Interpret is the keyword. Regarding that article, if you want to say more people with vaccines died of COVID than unvaccinated for a specific period, then its true in that very specific context by purposely ignoring the other numbers of the dataset to suit a narrative.

That table 20 should have also included vaccinated and unvaccinated counts, and actually see the ratio between the two groups. They already used the two counts though and did the maths to calculate the per 100000 mortality rate and it's shows that you have higher chance of dying from COVID if haven't been vaccinated as opposed to having your 2nd jab. The only way to misinterpret that is to deliberately refuse to accept the numbers in that dataset.

Exactly!

Stats 101. Look at the data critically, check the statistical analysis method, notice how they go about making adjustments for age etc, and THEN highlight numbers you find interesting. And use the numbers within the context.

 

[tetrasect]

My point is that you should never have that kind of % difference if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. The definition of a vaccine should be changed then.

So if 100% of people in a country with a population of 10 million are vaccinated and one person dies, that means 100% of the people who died were vaccinated. Does that mean the vaccines don't work?

 

[Geoff.D]

My point is that you should never have that kind of % difference if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. The definition of a vaccine should be changed then.

Yes! The numbers all over the place fail to support the vaccine narrative being hyped and sold to the "public" everywhere. And the numbers are not at fault, it is the hype that is wrong! On both sides.

The hype creates a false sense of security amongst the "public". who then fail to realise that you still have to manage your own exposure to the risk of infection. The vaccines are NOT an impenetrable HAZMAT suit.

 

[Dave]

Boosters for over 40s in the UK. I'll see if I can get mine before end December before heading to SA on holiday. Don't want those Saffer germs when arriving.

Covid booster doses will be offered to over-40s

Also, 16- and 17-year-olds should receive a second dose of vaccine, according to official UK advice.

www.bbc.co.uk

I got the text on the Thursday and had my appointment booked for the Saturday afternoon, it shouldn't take 6 weeks for you.

 

[AdrianH]

I got the text on the Thursday and had my appointment booked for the Saturday afternoon, it shouldn't take 6 weeks for you.

Yeah, I'll try book next week once it opens for us young ones

 

[Dave]

We are told that being vaccinated almost guarantees no death, only a stay in hospital but death shouldn't be a factor.

The people with brains also realise that amongst the highest category of vaccinated is the over 70's, so a double vaccinated 90 year old goes into hospital and dies from pneumonia but happens to have asymptomatic Covid will have Covid noted on the death certificate.

 

[buka001]

Yes! The numbers all over the place fail to support the vaccine narrative being hyped and sold to the "public" everywhere. And the numbers are not at fault, it is the hype that is wrong! On both sides.

The hype creates a false sense of security amongst the "public". who then fail to realise that you still have to manage your own exposure to the risk of infection. The vaccines are NOT an impenetrable HAZMAT suit.

And here you are with an anti-vax post.

You contradict yourself in your second and third sentence.

Second sentence - the numbers are all over the place ...

Third sentence - the numbers are not at fault.

What are you saying?

The numbers unequivocally show that the vaccines work. Soldierman displayed a masterclass in Dunning-Kruger as he played statistician, but fundamentally fails at basic statistics.

 

[Dave]

Yeah, I'll try book next week once it opens for us young ones

This is the link I used, it tells you if you aren't eligible yet in the first page or 2.

Book or manage a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination

Use this service to book a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination or manage your appointments.

www.nhs.uk

 

[AdrianH]

This is the link I used, it tells you if you aren't eligible yet in the first page or 2.

Book or manage a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination

Use this service to book a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination or manage your appointments.

www.nhs.uk

Yebo, same one I posted a short while ago. There is a yellow blurb saying 40 to 50 year olds should be able to book from Monday 22.

The question is should I book before going to SA end of December, or when I gwt back mid January?

 

[JohnStarr]

Interestingly, unlike here, the incoming German government wants to end the special powers they were granted:

Germany’s likely government prepares new rules to handle rampant coronavirus

Although no coalition agreement has been reached yet, SPD, FDP and Greens take action as pandemic threatens to get out of hand.

www.politico.eu

...First World Problems...when the government knows when to end their temporary power...our lot here? Not so much.

 

[Geoff.D]

Yebo, same one I posted a short while ago. There is a yellow blurb saying 40 to 50 year olds should be able to book from Monday 22.

The question is should I book before going to SA end of December, or when I gwt back mid January?

Why close the stable door after the horse has bolted? If you believe the booster is necessary get it done before.

If you feel invincible, then leave it. Simple really.

 

[AdrianH]

My point is that you should never have that kind of % difference if the vaccines do what they are supposed to do. The definition of a vaccine should be changed then.

Why? There's plenty vaccines that don't offer 100% protection against serious illness and death, but reducd risk of serious illness and death if infected. Also, what definition of vaccine are you talking about as I don't ever remember seeing a definition mentioning anything about pretection against death.

 

[Dave]

Yebo, same one I posted a short while ago. There is a yellow blurb saying 40 to 50 year olds should be able to book from Monday 22.

The question is should I book before going to SA end of December, or when I gwt back mid January?

If you can get booked for late Nov or early Dec I would do it before. Probably not the week before you travel in case it make you feel schit.

 

[AdrianH]

If you can get booked for late Nov or early Dec I would do it before. Probably not the week before you travel in case it make you feel schit.

Leaving 30th December, tickets were 50% cheaper than before Xmas. So yeah, try get in before the 20th December.

 

[access]

Well I for one would like to attend music festivals with thousands of people without having to wear a mask. This latest lockdown level has opened up the possibility of reasonably large outdoor gatherings but none of the big organizers seem to want to take the chance of having a festival being shut down when they can't police the wearing of masks and social distancing.

i too would like all this nonsense to end.

the selective standards in whats acceptable and whats not is bullshit.

like political rallies. is it really all that deadly for everyone if they allow it anyway.

a lot of the measures taken are bogus in my opinion, if you really look them in practice their rubbish or even makes things worse, which is seemingly made up by someone who has no idea.