International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

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So just that I understand...
- everyone needs to vaccinate to protect others
- vaccines are effective and protect from severe illness and death
- if people don't vaccinate, they endanger others
- infection spread by the unvaccinated is bad because it endangers orhers (ie look at the numbers)
- breakthrough infections are OK, because vaccines are effective and people don't get as sick (ie don't worry about the numbers)
- old unvaccinated dying of covid = see what happens!!??
- old vaccinated dying of covid = to be expected as they're old and have comorbities

Anything else I've left out??

i dont think you are allowed to put different points together.

it makes some people angry if you try and rationalise the information.

especially when you ask about it to try and understand.

 

[tetrasect]

you have quoted the googled bit.

lol it looks like you are naat over what i said and youre now trying to talk kak around it.

im not asking you for links or research, just your explanation. i can go look up what you explained myself.


come now, dont be afraid of people judging you. its okay.

If you are exposed to the flu, at what point do you gain immunity?
How do mRNA vaccines work?

Once you learn how immunity is gained and how the vaccine works you will know the answers to your questions.

 

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If you are exposed to the flu, at what point do you gain immunity?
How do mRNA vaccines work?

Once you learn how immunity is gained and how the vaccine works you will know the answers to your questions.

immunity was not my point.

i was talking about when they accept problems as vaccine related problems and when not. which was related to what voicy was joking about.

 

[tetrasect]

So just that I understand...
- everyone needs to vaccinate to protect others
- vaccines are effective and protect from severe illness and death
- if people don't vaccinate, they endanger others
- infection spread by the unvaccinated is bad because it endangers orhers (ie look at the numbers)
- breakthrough infections are OK, because vaccines are effective and people don't get as sick (ie don't worry about the numbers)
- old unvaccinated dying of covid = see what happens!!??
- old vaccinated dying of covid = to be expected as they're old and have comorbities

Anything else I've left out??

- being vaccinated protects others more than being unvaccinated
- yes, vaccines are effective and protect from severe illness and death
- unvaccinated people endanger others to greater extent than vaccinated people
- unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk of being infected and spreading that infection (ie look at the numbers)
- breakthrough infections are non-preventable, unless you have some magic potion that nobody else knows about, or want to remain in a hard lockdown for eternity?
- tons of old unvaccinated dying of covid = see what happens!!?? These deaths could have been prevented!
- very few old vaccinated dying of covid = we did everything we could to prevent this from happening, unless you have some magic potion that nobody else knows about, or want to remain in a hard lockdown for eternity?

Does that clear things up?

 

[tetrasect]

just thought of something, vaccine deaths or injuries or what ever are recorded only after 14 days or 28 days or what they decide.

Incorrect.

 

[Daveogg]

immunity was not my point.

i was talking about when they accept problems as vaccine related problems and when not. which was related to what voicy was joking about.

"They" seem to accept vaccine problems pretty much immediately after vaccination.

"Myocarditis occurred a median of 3.5 days (IQR, 3.0-10.8 days) after vaccination"

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19

This study investigates the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis emergency department or inpatient hospital encounters before COVID-19 vaccine availability (January 2019–January 2021) and during a COVID-19 vaccination period (February-May 2021) in a large US health care system.

jamanetwork.com

 

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"They" seem to accept vaccine problems pretty much immediately after vaccination.

"Myocarditis occurred a median of 3.5 days (IQR, 3.0-10.8 days) after vaccination"

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After Vaccination for COVID-19

This study investigates the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis emergency department or inpatient hospital encounters before COVID-19 vaccine availability (January 2019–January 2021) and during a COVID-19 vaccination period (February-May 2021) in a large US health care system.

jamanetwork.com

cool thanks for that.

there was a discussion the other day about when a death is accepted as covid vaccine related and it had to be after the fully vaccinated status.

edit: found it. the 14 days thing was from a discussion in the pfiser falsified data thread. from post no 26 and onwards.

• #26

also i came across the document i was thinking of when we spoke about the covid cause of death classification.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

unrelated, you asked which hospital and which ward had 3 beds with the rest empty etc. it was karl bremer and he thinks it was ward 26 "or something" he said.


edit: i see now i am conflating covid deaths and problems, the deaths is what got me going down this line of thought. time for a beer.

 

[jbrunevader]

- being vaccinated protects others more than being unvaccinated
- yes, vaccines are effective and protect from severe illness and death
- unvaccinated people endanger others to greater extent than vaccinated people
- unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk of being infected and spreading that infection (ie look at the numbers)
- breakthrough infections are non-preventable, unless you have some magic potion that nobody else knows about, or want to remain in a hard lockdown for eternity?
- tons of old unvaccinated dying of covid = see what happens!!?? These deaths could have been prevented!
- very few old vaccinated dying of covid = we did everything we could to prevent this from happening, unless you have some magic potion that nobody else knows about, or want to remain in a hard lockdown for eternity?

Does that clear things up?

What a load of illogical bullshit

 

[HermeticAnarchist]

What a load of illogical bullshit

Supported.

 

[Dave]

Doesn't Iceland have one of the highest vaccination rates in the entire world? Yeah I know it doesn't stop transmission but I'd still say it's a little odd to be having a peak now.

Have you ever considered doing your own research before spouting forth?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Have you ever considered doing your own research before spouting forth?

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Have you considered your interpretation of what I was saying is wrong? Read more carefully next time.

 

[Paulsie]

- being vaccinated protects others more than being unvaccinated
- yes, vaccines are effective and protect from severe illness and death
- unvaccinated people are at a much higher risk of being infected
- very few old vaccinated dying of covid

That's where all discussion should end.

 

[Paulsie]

Have you ever considered doing your own research before spouting forth?

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You mean they are having very similar number of deaths to pre-vaccine?

 

[Dave]

Have you considered your interpretation of what I was saying is wrong? Read more carefully next time.

No, you said "but I'd still say it's a little odd to be having a peak now", their current death rate is ZERO, as all intelligent people know vaccination doesn't cause total prevention of infection but it does a very good job at preventing serious illness and death.

So with their high vaccination rate they currently have a peak of zero deaths per day.

Can you now see why you comment was a bit silly?

 

[Dave]

You mean they are having very similar number of deaths to pre-vaccine?

The current death rate from Covid is peaking at zero deaths, so what would you conclude from that?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

No, you said "but I'd still say it's a little odd to be having a peak now", their current death rate is ZERO, as all intelligent people know vaccination doesn't cause total prevention of infection but it does a very good job at preventing serious illness and death.

So with their high vaccination rate they currently have a peak of zero deaths per day.

Can you now see why you comment was a bit silly?

It's clear I was talking about cases, hence the use of the word "transmission".

 

[Dave]

It's clear I was talking about cases, hence the use of the word "transmission".

So you are one of those people who believe that getting vaccinated prevents all infection?

 

[Daveogg]

cool thanks for that.

there was a discussion the other day about when a death is accepted as covid vaccine related and it had to be after the fully vaccinated status.

edit: found it. the 14 days thing was from a discussion in the pfiser falsified data thread. from post no 26 and onwards.

• #26

also i came across the document i was thinking of when we spoke about the covid cause of death classification.

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf?ua=1

unrelated, you asked which hospital and which ward had 3 beds with the rest empty etc. it was karl bremer and he thinks it was ward 26 "or something" he said.


edit: i see now i am conflating covid deaths and problems, the deaths is what got me going down this line of thought. time for a beer.

Ja don't think that's right. You can certainly have vaccine side effects / injuries after the first dose.

Let's try simplify it. And as a thought experiment think how complex your immune system is it's taking a protein, first deciding if it's foreign or "me". Then looking at it and finding a subsection and then making another protein that is a mirror image of that part of the foreign protein all this on a microscopic level.

Anyway you get vaccinated. Very occasionally that sets off a "panic" in your immune system, and you have an immediate severe reaction - an anaphylaxis. Hence the wait 15 mins after a jab.

Then the patrolling guards of your immune system picks up on something foreign, and sends alarm signals to activate the troops. This gives you the fevers, myalgias etc 6-12 hrs after the jab.

The troops arrive and battle the invader. Inflammation occurs, hopefully in your deltoid muscle, if things have not gone according to plan then perhaps somewhere else. ( Myocarditis, pericarditis, clots )

The troops kill the invader and take bits of it off to the intelligence service. They decide if they have seen it before. If so then reactivate that factory that has been mothballed to make those antibodies. If not identify the point of attack and build a new factory. Occasionally a mistake occurs in the factory and the antibody produced does harm. Gullian barre syndrome, bells palsy etc.

 

[Paulsie]

The current death rate from Covid is peaking at zero deaths, so what would you conclude from that?

Iceland's total death count stands at 34. Starting March 2020, that amounts to 1 death every 18 days.

From that I would conclude that your argument is utterly pointless.

 

[Dave]

Iceland's total death count stands at 34. Starting March 2020, that amounts to 1 death every 18 days.

From that I would conclude that your argument is utterly pointless.

I would be extremely surprised if you came to any form of logical conclusion related to Covid, Paul.

My point is pointless when it was a reply to a post about Iceland "having a peak now".

Doesn't Iceland have one of the highest vaccination rates in the entire world? Yeah I know it doesn't stop transmission but I'd still say it's a little odd to be having a peak now.

What is the current rate of death from Covid in Iceland, Paul? What is the last seven day average?