International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[Temujin]

Vatican city, 0 deaths.
I think I win?

 

[jbrunevader]

50 years from now, at some random person's funeral:

Priest: "we are gathered here today to celebrate the long life of..."

Random in the back: "see?! I told you! Vaccination death!"

 

[RedViking]

Is Covid still a deadly concern?

 

[SubtleBeast]

Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic

Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines.

www.bbc.com

 

[Lupus]

50 years from now, at some random person's funeral:

Priest: "we are gathered here today to celebrate the long life of..."

Random in the back: "see?! I told you! Vaccination death!"

Or he had covid in 2021, add it to the list that we are still counting.

 

[Lupus]

No, you said "but I'd still say it's a little odd to be having a peak now", their current death rate is ZERO, as all intelligent people know vaccination doesn't cause total prevention of infection but it does a very good job at preventing serious illness and death.

So with their high vaccination rate they currently have a peak of zero deaths per day.

Can you now see why you comment was a bit silly?

Yet we only have under 40% vaccinated and currently our positivity rate is way under 2% our deaths are like 5.

 

[Lupus]

Is Covid still a deadly concern?

Looking at how governments are still reacting yes apparently. I mean the shortages of things thanks to supply chains being shut down should be more of a concern

 

[Ragnarök]

The new normal, sudden death

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1460460925211795459

 

[RedViking]

I mean the shortages of things thanks to supply chains being shut down should be more of a concern

It is a major concern. World wide. In NZ they have 6-40+ week back order on building materials due to, one of the reasons, the Auckland lockdown about 2 months ago. There are simply no supplies. Haven't received a single simple residential building since the lockdown, only high end homes in the 3 000 000 - 5 000 000$ range. It is the middle class that gets hit the hardest. A very simple basic home used to be around 1700$/m². Now it is more like 2500$/m², and that is if you do manage to get building materials.


The affect is just a 100 times worse here in our Afrika cities.

 

[ajax]

More people died in the key clinical trial for Pfizer's Covid vaccine than the company publicly reported.​

Writes Alex Berenson:

Pfizer said publicly in July it had found 15 deaths among vaccine recipients by mid-March. But it told the FDA there were 21 - at the same data cutoff end date, March 13. The placebo figure in the trial was also wrong. Pfizer had 17 deaths among placebo recipients, not 14. Nine extra deaths overall, six among vaccine recipients.
Pfizer somehow miscounted - or publicly misreported, or both - the number of deaths in one of the most important clinical trials in the history of medicine.
But all-cause mortality is arguably the MOST important measure for any drug or vaccine - especially one meant to be given prophylactically to large numbers of healthy people, as vaccines are.

 

[Lupus]

It is a major concern. World wide. In NZ they have 6-40+ week back order on building materials due to, one of the reasons, the Auckland lockdown about 2 months ago. There are simply no supplies. Haven't received a single simple residential building since the lockdown, only high end homes in the 3 000 000 - 5 000 000$ range. It is the middle class that gets hit the hardest. A very simple basic home used to be around 1700$/m². Now it is more like 2500$/m², and that is if you do manage to get building materials.


The affect is just a 100 times worse here in our Afrika cities.

Yup building costs have skyrocketed, steel shortages, even a rack for my servers took 2 extra months to arrive. It's ridiculous, not to mention the chip shortages which is causing a knock on effect for medical devices as well.
A worldwide lockdown would've been fine in the past, hell even in the 80s, but we're so interconnected now, that places locking down effect everything :-(.
Food is going to be a problem soon in some European countries as they had their farmers locked down at one point, but I see they realised the stupidity of that.

 

[RedViking]

Yup building costs have skyrocketed, steel shortages, even a rack for my servers took 2 extra months to arrive. It's ridiculous, not to mention the chip shortages which is causing a knock on effect for medical devices as well.
A worldwide lockdown would've been fine in the past, hell even in the 80s, but we're so interconnected now, that places locking down effect everything :-(.
Food is going to be a problem soon in some European countries as they had their farmers locked down at one point, but I see they realised the stupidity of that.

Utterly pathetic.

 

[Lupus]

Utterly pathetic.

Yup welcome to the new world order :-(

 

[RedViking]

Yup welcome to the new world order :-(

At least lives are being saved and people are not dying. So we are at least grateful for that.

 

[Paulsie]

I would be extremely surprised if you came to any form of logical conclusion related to Covid, Paul.

My point is pointless when it was a reply to a post about Iceland "having a peak now".



What is the current rate of death from Covid in Iceland, Paul? What is the last seven day average?

Venus?? Mars?? Or a different galaxy altogether??

Is one not even allowed to point out, how inefficient the vaccines seem to be at slowing transmission?? How even the most vaccinated nations seem to be having higher peaks than ever before??

And yes, just for you David, nothing to do with deaths, only infections. As much as it seems irrelevant to your "very logical" point of view.

 

[Lupus]

At least lives are being saved and people are not dying. So we are at least grateful for that.

Yup and the medical system wasn't put at a strain and economies weren't crushed right?

 

[Paulsie]

Covid-resistant people inspire new vaccine tactic

Some people exposed to coronavirus didn't get ill. Now researchers want to use that in vaccines.

www.bbc.com

Will the covid resistant also have to be vaccinated??

Edit:

Dr Leo Swadling, one of the researchers, said their immune systems were already "poised" to fight the new disease.

These T-cells were able to spot a different part of the virus than the bit most of the current vaccines train the immune system to find.

Vaccines are largely aimed at the spike protein, which covers the outer surface of the Covid virus. However, these rare T-cells were able to look inside the virus and find the proteins that are necessary for it to replicate.

Here is why naturally acquired immunity is so much better than a vaccine (and please don't start arguing that vaccine is better than no protection, or it is risky to acquire protection naturally - that's not the point I'm making).

Also a prime example of why it is unhealthy / not beneficial in the long term for people to be locked away from one another.

 

[RedViking]

Yup and the medical system wasn't put at a strain and economies weren't crushed right?

Absolutely!

 

[SubtleBeast]

These T-cells were able to spot a different part of the virus than the bit most of the current vaccines train the immune system to find.

Can (faintly) remember an ex-Pfizer executive talk about this, but of course his claims were rubbished.

 

[Paulsie]

Can (faintly) remember an ex-Pfizer executive talk about this, but of course his claims were rubbished.

Important point - vaccines are designed (and good at) teaching body how to fight the virus.
Natural immunity is better in preventing virus to replicate in the first place.
And yes, vaccines + natural immunity might be even more beneficial, however natural immunity MUST NOT be discarded as irrelevant simply because saying it might lower the willingness of the recovered to vaccinate.