International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[Paulsie]

huh?

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All those that got sick must be those within 2 weeks of their vaccine. Therefore it is the fault of the unvaccinated. /s

 

[Lupus]

So Delta variant doesn't show symptoms?

Delta AY.4.2 Covid variant less likely to show any symptoms: UK study

A mutation of the Delta variant of Covid-19, classed in the UK as a Variant Under Investigation amid concerns of its increased transmissibility, is less likely to display any symptoms

www.business-standard.com

Which will mean a lot more people would've had this and spread it, so why are we still counting.

 

[jbrunevader]

Is your video BS because it doesn't make sense. How can there be a 100% vaccinated rate if 67% of the Covid cases are unvaccinated?

Tsk tsk... so indoctrinated; that you just ignore that vaccinations for kids are still a No/No in Europe / UK / etc.

Hence it's simple to have a 100% vaccinated rate according to Gibraltar own statistics; for those for whom the vaccine was approved. The vaccine doses administered appear more than inline with their population.

Now let's address the 67% directly. If you uncritically examine the data published by Gibraltar on their facebook page; then you end up with the following graph (vax status of the positive covid tests):

The 67% you referred to is for the 17th of November.

Now what that garbage Dutch "news" site didn't mention is that this data includes kids 15 years old and younger i.e. the part of the population for whom no vaccines were ever approved; plus this is by all measures also the part of the population which is the least vulnerable to covid; so the presentation of this to justify vax panic it just stupid.

Let's now examine the situation for those who could take the vaccine; i.e. let's exclude the kids for whom no approval was given.

...so in conclusion excluding the kids (who couldn't be vaccinated), and who are the least vulnerable to covid; we again see that the vaccinated are overwhelmingly the ones who are testing positive.

Why is simple; those who are panicked the most; test the most. Those who aren't indoctrinated... don't bother testing. Remember we talking about a test; and not whether the person who tested positive is at any real risk.

Now let's again address the BS notion that vaccines somehow prevent transmission and/or prevent infection.

Speaking in a November 12 address, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus shone light on the expanding Covid spread across Europe.

“It’s another reminder, as we have said again and again, that vaccines do not replace the need for other precautions. Vaccines reduce the risk of hospitalisation, severe disease and death. But they do not fully prevent transmission … no country can simply vaccinate its way out of the pandemic.”

Article: Most vaccinated place on Earth told to cancel holiday plans amid ‘exponential’ rise in Covid cases

...but yes let's force everyone to vaccinate so that we can get back to normal... and if you believe that BS... then you're more indoctrinated than I could ever have imagined.

Ps. The only way to stop covid; is to stop the BS (primarily the testing). Just as you don't put out fires with gasoline; you don't end panic with more panic. By any measure covid was nothing more than a bad flu season; and it's most certainly exhausted the bulk of the dry tinder that was built up in 2019.

 

[tetrasect]

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Congrats on a decent post with actual stats rather than a dodgy youtube clip!

However, you made some serious mistakes with your interpretation, for instance when you say "we again see that the vaccinated are overwhelmingly the ones who are testing positive."

If the percentage of infections among unvaccinated people is greater that the percentage of unvaccinated people, that means unvaccinated people are infected at a higher rate than unvaccinated people.

Even if we look at yesterdays stats excluding kids, if 99% of people are vaccinated and yet only represent 73% of the infected, and 1% is unvaccinated and yet represent 27% of infections, that means that unvaccinated people are 36.6 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people. Which translates to a vaccine effectiveness of 97.3% against infection.

Also, while focusing on percentages of vaccinated vs unvaccinated you seem to have forgotten about how incredibly well these vaccines have worked to massively reduce the number of infections per contact to the point where all lockdown measures have been scrapped in most of the 1st world, never mind hospitalizations and deaths.

 

[C4Cat]

Is your video BS because it doesn't make sense. How can there be a 100% vaccinated rate if 67% of the Covid cases are unvaccinated?

This twitter thread is worth reading

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461399050394112000

 

[jbrunevader]

Congrats on a decent post with actual stats rather than a dodgy youtube clip!

However, you made some serious mistakes with your interpretation, for instance when you say "we again see that the vaccinated are overwhelmingly the ones who are testing positive."

If the percentage of infections among unvaccinated people is greater that the percentage of unvaccinated people, that means unvaccinated people are infected at a higher rate than unvaccinated people.

Even if we look at yesterdays stats excluding kids, if 99% of people are vaccinated and yet only represent 73% of the infected, and 1% is unvaccinated and yet represent 27% of infections, that means that unvaccinated people are 36.6 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people. Which translates to a vaccine effectiveness of 97.3% against infection.

Also, while focusing on percentages of vaccinated vs unvaccinated you seem to have forgotten about how incredibly well these vaccines have worked to massively reduce the number of infections per contact to the point where all lockdown measures have been scrapped in most of the 1st world, never mind hospitalizations and deaths.

Tsk tsk.. ratios are not the same as cases. Your response is just another strawman.
As for the effectiveness... I suggest you discuss the validity of your lemon with the WHO; specifically Tedros... he indirectly has implied that you are talking through your arse; making claims that have no basis in reality.

 

[jbrunevader]

Ps. don't fall for the promises around the lemon; they'll always have another excuse for why you must lock down; wear a face diaper, etc.

What Life Is Like in a Fully Vaccinated Country

A sense of relief, but also some guilt.

slate.com

I wonder how the Gibraltarians feel about their lemon now? Everyone's wearing face diapers; movement is restricted and Christmas is cancelled. For what reason exactly?


Clearly their stats prove the dry tinder is exhausted... what exactly are they protecting, other than the hysteria.

 

[PsyWulf]

If the percentage of infections among unvaccinated people is greater that the percentage of unvaccinated people, that means unvaccinated people are infected at a higher rate than unvaccinated people.

Even if we look at yesterdays stats excluding kids, if 99% of people are vaccinated and yet only represent 73% of the infected, and 1% is unvaccinated and yet represent 27% of infections, that means that unvaccinated people are 36.6 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people. Which translates to a vaccine effectiveness of 97.3% against infection.

Bro
Math R CoMpLiCatUrD
Please don't hit @jbrunevader so hard with facts and figures,I heard the concussion from Antarctica

 

[tetrasect]

Tsk tsk.. ratios are not the same as cases. Your response is just another strawman.

So if there are 1,000 Scottish people of which 200 regularly eat haggis, and 100,000,000 Chinese people of which 400 regularly eat haggis, would you say that Chinese people eat more haggis than Scottish people?

You can try twist things as much as you like but the fact remains that a higher percentage of Scottish people eat haggis.

Same as a higher percentage of unvaccinated people are getting infected.

As for the effectiveness... I suggest you discuss the validity of your lemon with the WHO; specifically Tedros... he indirectly has implied that you are talking through your arse; making claims that have no basis in reality.

I don't give a crap what this Tedros guy said, he is not above basic math. But you can bet your behind that he would back up what I'm saying in a heartbeat.

 

[tetrasect]

Ps. don't fall for the promises around the lemon; they'll always have another excuse for why you must lock down; wear a face diaper, etc.

What Life Is Like in a Fully Vaccinated Country

A sense of relief, but also some guilt.

slate.com

I wonder how the Gibraltarians feel about their lemon now? Everyone's wearing face diapers; movement is restricted and Christmas is cancelled. For what reason exactly?

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Clearly their stats prove the dry tinder is exhausted... what exactly are they protecting, other than the hysteria.

Again, there is only one hospital in Gibraltar, with a total of 210 beds. That's why they are "hysterical".

St Bernard's Hospital - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mercury12]

This twitter thread is worth reading

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461399050394112000

Great thread. But anti vaxxers will always believe what they want to believe. Facts dont seem to matter much.

 

[Geoff.D]

Great thread. But anti vaxxers will always believe what they want to believe. Facts dont seem to matter much.

And the pro vaxxers will continue to use BS numbers to try and frighten everyone until they are paralysed and stop thinking for themselves.

Those rose-tinted vaccine glasses are now decidedly puke green-tinted vaccine glasses.

All these percentages and ratios and big numbers are simply distorting the realities on the ground.

 

[tetrasect]

And the pro vaxxers will continue to use BS numbers to try and frighten everyone until they are paralysed and stop thinking for themselves.

Those rose-tinted vaccine glasses are now decidedly puke green-tinted vaccine glasses.

All these percentages and ratios and big numbers are simply distorting the realities on the ground.

Those numbers are the reality on the ground.

You "thinking for yourself" is where the BS comes in.

 

[Mercury12]

And the pro vaxxers will continue to use BS numbers to try and frighten everyone until they are paralysed and stop thinking for themselves.

Those rose-tinted vaccine glasses are now decidedly puke green-tinted vaccine glasses.

All these percentages and ratios and big numbers are simply distorting the realities on the ground.

True, I can understand why the big numbers are distorting the reality if the person trying make sense of it fails to grasp basic statistics.

 

[Geoff.D]

fails to grasp basic statistics.

And therein lies the problem. The average Joe out there with a 30% pass mark in maths cannot grasp these things, which we think are basics, but are actually really complicated concepts. Therefore all that happens is fear-mongering.

A hospital with 1 ICU bed is 100% overwhelmed with a demand for ICU beds of 2.

 

[Spizz]

And therein lies the problem. The average Joe out there with a 30% pass mark in maths cannot grasp these things, which we think are basics, but are actually really complicated concepts. Therefore all that happens is fear-mongering.

A hospital with 1 ICU bed is 100% overwhelmed with a demand for ICU beds of 2.

It’s pretty straight forward if you want it to be. So instead of arguing over disputed stats and dodgy figures and basically trying to use a bazooka to open a tin of baked beans, why not just simplify things and notice the world is opening back up in places with high vaccination rates? Seriously, just drop the agenda and your pride for a minute and notice a full house at Twickenham yesterday for example.

 

[tetrasect]

And therein lies the problem. The average Joe out there with a 30% pass mark in maths cannot grasp these things, which we think are basics, but are actually really complicated concepts. Therefore all that happens is fear-mongering.

A hospital with 1 ICU bed is 100% overwhelmed with a demand for ICU beds of 2.

So let me dumb it down for you and the 30%ers:

Vaccines work, so get vaccinated and stay off conspiracy websites.

 

[Dave]

This twitter thread is worth reading

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1461399050394112000

Thanks, that does explain just how the anti-vaxxers are twisting it.

 

[Paulsie]

Thanks, that does explain just how the anti-vaxxers are twisting it.

Here is a thing. With the majority of populations in Europe having been vaccinated, would you not expect for the TOTAL number of infections to be lower than when lower % of population were vaccinated?

Yes, unvaccinated are getting more infected as a %within their group, but since they are now such a small group, the overall numbers should be much lower.

 

[Geoff.D]

Here is a thing. With the majority of populations in Europe having been vaccinated, would you not expect for the TOTAL number of infections to be lower than when lower % of population were vaccinated?

Yes, unvaccinated are getting more infected as a %within their group, but since they are now such a small group, the overall numbers should be much lower.

The virus does not care -- it invades everyone it comes into contact with. IF the vaccines really offered the promised protection against infection (which was BS from the outset) then that would have been a realistic expectation.

The fact is whether you are vaccinated or not you get infected almost equally. The vaxxed are supposed to not get as sick and die as the unvaccinated do.

The danger for me lies in the false sense of security so many vaxxed people seem to have - many think they are now invincible and don't need to take precautions.