International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[PsyWulf]

Here is a plot of the Rt value for Gibraltar. It would seem the higher the vaccination percentage goes the more uncertain and erratic the Rt value becomes.

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The indicates to me that even if the vaccines are preventing serious illness and deaths, the vaccines are definitely having almost no effect whatsoever on infection rates. This means the vaccines are doing next to nothing to get this pandemic under control, just driving the virus underground and increasing the numbers of people carrying and spreading the virus asymptomatically.

*waffle waffle* this indicates to me that you are still a buffoon trying to fit in at the smart table
Still haven't learnt how real life works or to read relevant data from charts even though you're reportedly an expert in all fields Dr.Geoff? Disappointing ai ai ai

Little lesson for you:
This chart is not to be used for vaccine effect on transmission rates,as it lacks the relevant adjustments for external factors
Since the actual proven science says it does reduce the infectiousness and you yourself confirmed vaccines work,maybe something else is changing along with higher vaccination rates your graph doesn't indicate?

Square peg,round hole
Stop trying to stick your square peg into every damn hole you can find good lord

 

[Spizz]

Actually I notice several places talking about or already closing back up.

I think we are all finding that there are no givens and no certainties with any of this. I can only suggest we all follow the advice and get as many people vaccinated as we can.

I'm wondering what the next move will be when everyone is vaccinated and they still can't keep infections under control.

The same as we are starting to do now, living it with it under a semblance of control.

 

[Geoff.D]

I'm wondering what the next move will be when everyone is vaccinated and they still can't keep infections under control.

"Over panic" and lock everyone away again. What else?
The entire world relied on one silver bullet and it has turned into a wet noodle.

Maybe a speeded up search for an effective medication will now receive the attention has needed from the get go?

 

[noxibox]

Yes and no. Flu vaccine doesn't mean you won't get flu...just lesser symptoms.

So we're cherry picking a different vaccine now? Most vaccines prevent illness entirely in the majority of recipients and significantly reduce transmission. That is what was hoped for in the case of these new vaccines. Your transparent attempt to sell a new narrative to the contrary is just silly.

I think if you believe the coronavirus vaccine does the same as the polio vaccine, you need your head read or need to check on the conspiracy website giving false information.

Now we can't use polio as an example? Better let the coronavirus vaccine zealots know. They've been bringing it up often. People were attacked for pointing out that not all vaccines work that well.

 

[noxibox]

The same as we are starting to do now, living it with it under a semblance of control.

Right, so exactly what several people were attacked for suggesting a while back.

 

[JohnStarr]

So we're cherry picking a different vaccine now? Most vaccines prevent illness entirely in the majority of recipients and significantly reduce transmission. That is what was hoped for in the case of these new vaccines. Your transparent attempt to sell a new narrative to the contrary is just silly.


Now we can't use polio as an example? Better let the coronavirus vaccine zealots know. They've been bringing it up often. People were attacked for pointing out that not all vaccines work that well.

It was an example. An analogy if you will. You anti-vaxxers LOOOOOOOOVE running out the: but, but the vaccine doesn't prevent the virus...(arms flapping; unintelligibly screaming "told you so's" coming out of your mouths).

If someone you know has told you this, then you need to take it up with them. When you get the vaccine they pretty much let you know you could still get the virus, but should, in all likelihood, not end up hospitalised or dead.

 

[Paulsie]

Yes and no. Flu vaccine doesn't mean you won't get flu...just lesser symptoms.
I think if you believe the coronavirus vaccine does the same as the polio vaccine, you need your head read

Please speak to the MSM, WHO and CDC who keep pushing messaging like "get vaccinated to protect others"...

 

[Paulsie]

Actually I notice several places talking about or already closing back up.

You're asking people who have their eyes covered to notice this. I watched the France/NZ game and that stadium was packed.
How awesome is that?

Ask them mid December

Edit:actually you can already ask NOW those in Austria, Northern Ireland and Holland to start with.

 

[JohnStarr]

Please speak to the MSM, WHO and CDC who keep pushing messaging like "get vaccinated to protect others"...

I didn't say that did I Paulie? Your choice to get vaccinated or not. Take that up with everyone else making you feel pressured to do so.

 

[JohnStarr]

Ask them mid December

Bit silly though Paulies...I don't know anyone in France.

 

[pinball wizard]

Bit silly though Paulies...I don't know anyone in France.

There's a guy on the forum who's in France. He was the first one of us to get the 'vid last year.

 

[Spizz]

Right, so exactly what several people were attacked for suggesting a while back.

I don't know what you are referring to.

 

["D"]

Bit silly though Paulies...I don't know anyone in France.

Change your username to JeanMoët and see what happens ...

 

[JohnStarr]

Change your username to JeanMoët and see what happens ...

Happy to help with the research. I will do so in a month, and refer back here with information!

 

[PsyWulf]

I think if you believe the coronavirus vaccine does the same as the polio vaccine

Interestingly,the Polio vaccine(s) also underwent some strife for years after it was developed initially,and the story has some striking resemblance to modern day
An article from 1957:

How Good Is the Polio Vaccine?

Ever since the dramatic proclamation of the Salk vaccine, Americans have been asking, What will this do for my child? Can I trust it? These are the questions which Dr. Rustein sets out to answer.

www.theatlantic.com

It's quite an interesting read,one standout section was this

It was hoped that polio vaccination would decrease the number of such healthy carriers and thus interfere with the transmission of the disease. Unfortunately, evidence being accumulated in four different laboratories indicates that it does not. All the evidence collected so far indicates that children immunized with polio vaccine are as likely to carry the living polio virus as are unvaccinated children. Polio vaccination, then, unlike diphtheria vaccination, can only protect the vaccinated person. Therefore, even if polio vaccination were 100 per cent effective, every person would have to be vaccinated in order to control the disease completely.

Another

The practical problem of immunizing every person in the country is enormous and is further complicated by the need for constantly maintaining a high level of immunization in every individual. The question therefore arises: What is the duration of immunity, assuming that polio vaccination has been effective? In no disease is there permanent immunity after original vaccination. Even where vaccination is highly effective, as in smallpox, it lasts a relatively short time. Our government requires that those traveling to foreign countries show evidence that they have had successful smallpox vaccination within three years before they can be readmitted to the United States. In polio immunization we must be sure, above all, that we are not postponing the occurrence of the disease from early childhood to later in life when it is more serious. Paralysis is more severe and death more frequent when the disease strikes in adult life than in childhood. There is no solid evidence at this time concerning the duration of effective polio vaccination because so little time has elapsed since the beginning of the vaccination program. If the polio immunization program continues to be accompanied by a decreasing number of cases, research on the duration of protection from vaccination must be intensified to determine the time when booster doses of vaccine will have to be given.

Funny reading stuff from 70years ago,but these vaccines are considered the gold-standard for LIFETIME IMMUNITY and 100% SUCCESS RATE but they also had issues,and improvements were developed over time. But those initial vaccines still made a huge difference. Even with some deaths and disabilities along the way

Also


WHAT NONSENSE IS THIS BOOSTER THING WEVE NEVER HEARD OF IT

 

[Spizz]

"Over panic" and lock everyone away again. What else?
The entire world relied on one silver bullet and it has turned into a wet noodle.

You are so full of sniping comments. But prey tell, without the aid of hindsight, what would you have done differently?

Maybe a speeded up search for an effective medication will now receive the attention has needed from the get go?

How would you speed up the trials and long term research? Man,. don't kid yourself, you'd still be protesting about the new "experimental" medication.

 

[PsyWulf]

PS. Polio requires 3 doses to hit 99%,and a 4th is recommended

 

[tetrasect]

Interestingly,the Polio vaccine(s) also underwent some strife for years after it was developed initially,and the story has some striking resemblance to modern day
An article from 1957:

How Good Is the Polio Vaccine?

Ever since the dramatic proclamation of the Salk vaccine, Americans have been asking, What will this do for my child? Can I trust it? These are the questions which Dr. Rustein sets out to answer.

www.theatlantic.com

It's quite an interesting read,one standout section was this


Another


Funny reading stuff from 70years ago,but these vaccines are considered the gold-standard for LIFETIME IMMUNITY and 100% SUCCESS RATE but they also had issues,and improvements were developed over time. But those initial vaccines still made a huge difference. Even with some deaths and disabilities along the way

Also


WHAT NONSENSE IS THIS BOOSTER THING WEVE NEVER HEARD OF IT

 

[PsyWulf]

But but I can hear the cries of the antivaxxers,why was it so essential to get a vaccine for Polio given the risks of the vaccines. Why do kids worldwide still get vaccinated for it?

Based on history,only 1 in 200 infections lead to paralysis,and 5-10% of those infections killed

Thats what
0.5% Paralysis rate and
0.05% fatality

Pathetic virus,what a joke right?

Imagine the ****ing state of the world if modern snowflakes had a say back then

 

[Paulsie]

I didn't say that did I Paulie? Your choice to get vaccinated or not. Take that up with everyone else making you feel pressured to do so.

No you did not, but you did say those who say/think covid vaccines are like polio (ie stop infection) need their heads screwed on.
I say that's what the message is (get vaccinated, stop infection, protect others)