International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[SubtleBeast]

That damn unvaxxed 15%

Dutch Covid-19 patients transferred to Germany as hospitals struggle | News24

The Netherlands started transporting Covid-19 patients across the border to Germany to ease pressure on Dutch hospitals, which are scaling back regular care to deal with a surge in coronavirus cases.

www.news24.com

 

[Paulsie]

WHO fears 700 000 more Covid-19 deaths in Europe | News24

Europe remains "in the firm grip" of Covid-19 and the death toll on the continent could top 2.2 million this winter if current trends continue, the World Health Organization said.

www.news24.com

Public resentment in Europe continues to rise as people are starting to realize that, vaccines or not, they're not getting back to normal. The fear therefore needs to be ratcheted up.
Cue pictures of mass graves etc....

 

[SubtleBeast]

Several countries, including Greece, France and Germany, are moving towards requiring a third booster shot for someone to be considered fully vaccinated, given mounting evidence that the effectiveness of current jabs wane after four or five months.

EU eyes update to Covid-19 certificate as infections surge | News24

The EU is looking to update its Covid-19 certificate that has made travel easier within the bloc, as its acceptance is threatened by restrictions in some member states hit by surging infections.

www.news24.com

 

[SubtleBeast]

Public resentment in Europe continues to rise as people are starting to realize that, vaccines or not, they're not getting back to normal. The fear therefore needs to be ratcheted up.
Cue pictures of mass graves etc....

It has started in Germany already.

Germans will be 'vaccinated, recovered, or dead' by end of winter, health minister warns amid Covid surge | Businessinsider

Jens Spahn, the German minister for health, said Monday that the infectious Delta variant made his bleak prediction "highly likely."

www.businessinsider.co.za

 

[SubtleBeast]

So has Austria realized something?

Austria becomes the first country in western Europe to reimpose a full COVID-19 lockdown, and says it plans to make vaccines compulsory

Austria has one of the lowest vaccination rates in western Europe, and officials said a lockdown until mid-December is now necessary.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Academic]

Beautiful in its simplicity: relative risk reduction due to vaccines perhaps a statistical anomaly?

Illusion

 

[buka001]

What is the numbers , stop with the fear mongering .

I am sure more died of hunger , malaria , list go on

So just add them to the list eventhough you can prevent their deaths?

 

[Geoff.D]

Beautiful in its simplicity: relative risk reduction due to vaccines perhaps a statistical anomaly?

Illusion

Absolutely brilliant!

 

[access]

Within practical limits. If they were to tell people to stay 60m apart from each other, society wouldn't be able to function.

if everyone dies from this supposed apocalyptic virus society wouldnt be able to function either. or isnt it really that bad as its made out to be.

i understand there is a logistical problem, queues of people 10 meters apart is impractical.


people are being locked down and coerced into taking a highly suspicious medication. people are losing their lively hood, committing suicide because of it, while governments pretend to take precautions and blame the public.

governments literally flaunt their own measures(useless ones) for their own gain. who cares if some elderly or sickly die, its the public not doing their part.

 

[Geoff.D]

They actually said that -

NO they did not. Those words are used by a journalist.

In fact in the actual press release, the word "infection" appears ONLY ONCE.

Results from this analysis of 2,228 trial participants build upon and confirm previously released data and demonstrate strong protection against COVID-19. From the 30 confirmed symptomatic cases of COVID-19 in the trial with and without evidence of prior infection with SARS-CoV-2, 30 cases of COVID-19 were in the placebo group and 0 cases were in the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine group, corresponding to vaccine efficacy of 100% (95% confidence interval [CI, 87.5, 100.0]).

In other words, the journalist paraphrased, and ended up with the WRONG message.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

The World Health Organization has suggested countries should look at introducing mandatory vaccines saying “it’s a healthy debate to have”.

Robb Butler, Executive Director for WHO Europe said that it was a “very delicate” topic but that conversations needed to be had.

His remarks came after Austria confirmed it would introduce mandatory vaccines for citizens from February 2022 with those who refused to get jabbed that do not have a medical exemption fined up to 3,600 euros.

 

[Paulsie]

Just one more parting shot from me for tonight.

It's NOT about the vaccines. People should wake up, stop arguing about vaccines and start looking at what is happening to all of us.

Totalitarianism - Wikipedia

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Totalitarianism is a form of government and a political system that prohibits all opposition parties, outlaws individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control and regulation over public and private life. In totalitarian states, political power is often held by autocrats, such as dictators and absolute monarchs, who employ all-encompassing campaigns in which propaganda is broadcast by state-controlled mass media in order to control the citizenry

Totalitarian regimes are often characterized by extreme political repression, to a greater extent than those of authoritarian regimes, under an undemocratic government, widespread personality cultism around the person or the group which is in power, absolute control over the economy, large-scale censorship and mass surveillance systems, limited or non-existent freedom of movement (the freedom to leave the country), and the widespread usage of state terrorism

 

[quovadis]

Just one more parting shot from me for tonight.

It's NOT about the vaccines. People should wake up, stop arguing about vaccines and start looking at what is happening to all of us.

I'm pretty sure a pandemic wouldn't be the go-to strategy.

 

[EvoX]

I'm pretty sure a pandemic wouldn't be the go-to strategy.

It would be if the right people have the cure...

 

[Paulsie]

I'm pretty sure a pandemic wouldn't be the go-to strategy.

It is not political, but capitalist in nature (look at power of private capital, lobbying, influence and control over regulations).
And it is not centrally organized, but uniformly random (ie each part doing their best for self as well as common benefit). Ie - there is no great conspiracy occurring.

 

[The Voice]

What is the numbers , stop with the fear mongering .

I am sure more died of hunger , malaria , list go on

How many countries worldwide have malaria cases? How many countries worldwide have COVID cases?

 

[Dave]

So results from their trials are irrelevant when used in general?? Good to know!!

Actually yes, Paul, you cannot extrapolate their data that it was 100% effective in a study of 2000 to try and pretend they're saying it's 100% effective in general for the entire world population.

I would be proudly be "a Geoff"...

All you need is some form of brain injury

 

[Paulsie]

Actually yes, Paul, you cannot extrapolate their data that it was 100% effective in a study of 2000 to try and pretend they're saying it's 100% effective in general for the entire world population.

The vaccines were originally sold and defended based on the trials outcomes. You just can't make yourself admit that the original numbers were out and your only hope is to cling to the current severe illness and death prevention.

Would this admission threaten your new reality you've come to believe?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Lockdown incoming in Germany surely. Consistently hitting new caseload peaks and also over 300 dying per day.

 

[Paulsie]

Lockdown incoming in Germany surely. Consistently hitting new caseload peaks and also over 300 dying per day.

I read an article saying departing Mrs Merkel wanted to implement one, but got overruled by the new incoming chancellor Scholz

Edit: here you go

Angela Merkel's attempt to reintroduce German lockdown thwarted by coalition

Angela Merkel reportedly wanted to impose a new coronavirus lockdown on Germany -- but was thwarted by the incoming government.

www.telegraph.co.uk