International COVID-19 Updates & Discussion 3

[noxibox]

Beautiful in its simplicity: relative risk reduction due to vaccines perhaps a statistical anomaly?

Illusion

Well there must be a delay. You can't compare deaths this week against the total vaccinated this week. You'd probably need a four week difference - two weeks until the vaccine is effective plus two weeks from infection to death.

 

[Geoff.D]

Well there must be a delay. You can't compare deaths this week against the total vaccinated this week. You'd probably need a four week difference - two weeks until the vaccine is effective plus two weeks from infection to death.

It is not about accounting for the delay per see, it is about understanding the maths and the possible issues that might arise because of a failure to properly account for the tie differences IF the delays are not allowed for!

Thie data collection issues at the start of this whole fiasco showed just how many incorrect conclusions were drawn because data was not properly synchronised

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

A rather gloomy article but likely correct.

Get ready for an endless coronavirus winter

With the Delta variant, even high vaccination rates can’t stave off holiday restrictions.

www.politico.eu

Some key points:

And it points to the fact that even if everybody were to be vaccinated, there’s the risk that the pandemic would still pose a problem — at least to the elderly or otherwise vulnerable.

In the meantime, for politicians, the pandemic’s resurgence presents an unwelcome balancing act.

An ECDC overview of studies about restrictions, including masking and lockdowns in Europe (which has yet to be peer-reviewed), notes a catch-22: These measures work best when implemented early — but also when they have solid backing from the public. That means officials are stuck with the challenging task of convincing people to take new precautions even when things aren’t that bad.

Ultimately, even in a place as heavily vaccinated as Portugal, it’s still too early to predict when life will return to something resembling the old normal, said Rebeiro.

“Living in uncertainty for such a long period of time is certainly difficult for all of us,” she said, “but we must keep observing precaution.”

For political leaders, the risk is that public opinion will mutate even faster than the virus.

 

[SubtleBeast]

A rather gloomy article but likely correct.

Get ready for an endless coronavirus winter

With the Delta variant, even high vaccination rates can’t stave off holiday restrictions.

www.politico.eu

Some key points:

Funny enough. Reports suggest Delta imploded in Japan. Only one source though. We'll have to wait a few days/weeks for updates on this.
Edit: forget about the video's description. A good watch.

 

[Geoff.D]

Funny enough. Reports suggest Delta imploded in Japan. Only one source though. We'll have to wait a few days/weeks for updates on this.
Edit: forget about the video's description. A good watch.

Sounds like a good watch.
But of course, the anti-IVM idiots would simply reject everything else in the video as soon as they see it even remotely suggests that IVM may have a use in treating Covid 19.

But it is not the only source of the information listed. I looked into what going on in Japan, as soon as the report came in about the lifting of restrictions on accessing IVM. (August 2021)

1. Out of that came the remarkable "coincidence" ( I do not believe in coincidences) that the relaxation of access to IVM resulted in a turnaround of cases 12 - 14 days later.

2 Then reports coming in that IVM might not explain the turnaround because of the discovery of the NSP 14 error-correcting protein issue that leads to the virus "destroying itself" (Read all the theories as to why the other SARS viruses appear to have simply disappeared).

3. Then the documentation of a defence enzyme found in Asian populations (APOBEC3A) which apparently attacks RNA viruses.

Only the completely stupid do not keep their minds open to all possibilities and new findings.

 

[Dave]

The vaccines were originally sold and defended based on the trials outcomes. You just can't make yourself admit that the original numbers were out and your only hope is to cling to the current severe illness and death prevention.

Could you point out anywhere where Pfizer (or any vaccine maker) claimed that their vaccine would give 100% protection globally?

 

[Paulsie]

Could you point out anywhere where Pfizer (or any vaccine maker) claimed that their vaccine would give 100% protection globally?

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study | Pfizer

Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis Analysis evaluated 94 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in trial participants Study enrolled 43,538 participants, with...

www.pfizer.com

Monday, November 09, 2020 - 06:45am
Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis

The first interim analysis of our global Phase 3 study provides evidence that a vaccine may effectively prevent COVID-19. This is a victory for innovation, science and a global collaborative effort,” said Prof. Ugur Sahin, BioNTech co-founder and CEO. “When we embarked on this journey 10 months ago this is what we aspired to achieve.

And so it continued from there on. All of a sudden, it's not about infections, nor about preventing covid, nor has the vaccine ever been designed that way??

Another goalpost?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

And they achieved that effectiveness ...... when that was developed and rolled out there was no Delta variant to make the efficacy wane. Hence the booster you guys are all so afraid off and reeeing about.

 

[Geoff.D]

And they achieved that effectiveness ...... when that was developed and rolled out there was no Delta variant to make the efficacy wane. Hence the booster you guys are all so afraid off and reeeing about.

There is zero proof that the vaccine effectiveness is waning just because of the data variant, as much as you and others' would like to believe that is true.

 

[Dave]

Pfizer and BioNTech Announce Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 Achieved Success in First Interim Analysis from Phase 3 Study | Pfizer

Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis Analysis evaluated 94 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in trial participants Study enrolled 43,538 participants, with...

www.pfizer.com

And so it continued from there on. All of a sudden, it's not about infections, nor about preventing covid, nor has the vaccine ever been designed that way??

Another goalpost?

FYI

Your quotes don't say anything about being 100% effective for everyone...

 

[Paulsie]

Another goalpost?

And they achieved that effectiveness ...... when that was developed and rolled out there was no Delta variant to make the efficacy wane. Hence the booster you guys are all so afraid off and reeeing about.

FYI

Your quotes don't say anything about being 100% effective for everyone...

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[Paulsie]

@Dave - in your haste to contradict me and to defend your "new normal reality", you missed the original post

Care to explain how they are not working according to how pro-vaxxers expected?

With some quotes to explain what was said, compared to what is not working?

What was said was "vaccines are effective against covid infection". And now it's not working.

 

[Paulsie]

And they achieved that effectiveness ...... when that was developed and rolled out there was no Delta TIME to make the efficacy wane. Hence the booster you guys

 

[Dave]

@Dave - in your haste to contradict me and to defend your "new normal reality", you missed the original post
What was said was "vaccines are effective against covid infection". And now it's not working.

Vaccines are effective against Covid infection, Paul, but as has been said, they are not 100% effective, why would you think otherwise?

 

[buka001]

@Dave - in your haste to contradict me and to defend your "new normal reality", you missed the original post
What was said was "vaccines are effective against covid infection". And now it's not working.

But they are effective against infection.

Not 100%, but they never claimed they were 100% effective.

Covid-19: How effective are vaccines against the delta variant?

The delta variant is now the dominant form of SARS-CoV-2 in the UK and many other countries. Chris Baraniuk asks how effective the leading vaccines are against this new threat “Two days after my first symptoms, I began to feel seriously ill,” wrote BBC TV presenter Andrew Marr.1 He described...

www.bmj.com

 

[Dave]

I wonder if one of the protesters is called Paul and one is called Geoff?

 

[SubtleBeast]

I wonder if one of the protesters is called Paul and one is called Geoff?

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Actually those responses are quite spot-on for many South Africans.
See lots of 'em relieving themselves in full view of others.

 

[Paulsie]

But they are effective against infection.

Not 100%, but they never claimed they were 100% effective.

Covid-19: How effective are vaccines against the delta variant?

The delta variant is now the dominant form of SARS-CoV-2 in the UK and many other countries. Chris Baraniuk asks how effective the leading vaccines are against this new threat “Two days after my first symptoms, I began to feel seriously ill,” wrote BBC TV presenter Andrew Marr.1 He described...

www.bmj.com

Why don't you reference an article from before August 2021? You might get even higher than 50-60% as proof of your claim.

 

[The Voice]

Botswana mutation:

South African scientists warn variant is behind sudden Covid surge

Fears are mounting that a new Covid variant believed to have emerged in Botswana is driving a surge in cases in neighbouring South Africa.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Paulsie]

I wonder if one of the protesters is called Paul and one is called Geoff?

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As expected... Well done!!