Intro to Photography section! - 5D MkII

[koffiejunkie]

My biggest gripe is the FF sensor - even the 1.3 crop on my 1Dmk3 makes a difference.
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They're discontinuing the 1DMk4 and the 7D isn't up to the task.

Better invest in a stash of 1Dmk4 bodies then!

 

[koffiejunkie]

My biggest gripe is the FF sensor - even the 1.3 crop on my 1Dmk3 makes a difference.

I realise that it fills the frame better, but I have to wonder if it really makes a difference? at 18MP, 1.3x crop is around 12MP, which is still more than you're getting out of your 1DmkIII. And presumably the full frame images will crop better than the 10MP crops I make from the 7D, and they look great.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Deezil]

Horses for courses indeed ... 7D and 5D are aimed at 2 complete different ends of the photography spectrum and if you can afford it they make perfect partners! (There are certain things even the 5D mk3 won't be able to compete with 7D with and vice versa) Some might argue if you can afford both maybe a 1D MkIV is a better choice but really it all boils down to your actual needs for the camera (Personally I'll definitely prefer having 2 bodies with 2 lenses mounted than having one pro body and having to swop lenses ... unless I win the lotto off course!)

As far as the pop-up flash is concerned I honestly don't understand the hostility towards the lack thereof either, if you can drop 25k on a camera that basically guarantees you the best IQ possible why ruin everything with a popup flash? Yes, it's convenient but it mostly gives terrible results (although I have to mention things are getting better if the Nikon D7000 is any sort of indicator for future trends) ... don't be a cheapskate and just add a 430EX and get it done with! (you can get the 580EX later since that is also a must have!)

just my worthless 2c


Edit: Crap, I really need to learn to refresh before posting, my post just dangles here in mid-conversation (like a bushman scrotum) adding very little value

 

[bwana]

Better invest in a stash of 1Dmk4 bodies then!

I suppose I could switch to Nikon and hope they catch up eventually.

I realise that it fills the frame better, but I have to wonder if it really makes a difference? at 18MP, 1.3x crop is around 12MP, which is still more than you're getting out of your 1DmkIII. And presumably the full frame images will crop better than the 10MP crops I make from the 7D, and they look great.

Or am I missing something?

Cropping takes time. I think AF also stands a better chance if the object you want to focus on takes up a greater part of the imaging area - at least in my mind it does.

Horses for courses indeed ... 7D and 5D are aimed at 2 complete different ends of the photography spectrum and if you can afford it they make perfect partners! (There are certain things even the 5D mk3 won't be able to compete with 7D with and vice versa) Some might argue if you can afford both maybe a 1D MkIV is a better choice but really it all boils down to your actual needs for the camera (Personally I'll definitely prefer having 2 bodies with 2 lenses mounted than having one pro body and having to swop lenses ... unless I win the lotto off course!)

Do you have information I don't? I don't put a lot of credence in rumour sites.

As far as the pop-up flash is concerned I honestly don't understand the hostility towards the lack thereof either, if you can drop 25k on a camera that basically guarantees you the best IQ possible why ruin everything with a popup flash? Yes, it's convenient but it mostly gives terrible results (although I have to mention things are getting better if the Nikon D7000 is any sort of indicator for future trends) ... don't be a cheapskate and just add a 430EX and get it done with! (you can get the 580EX later since that is also a must have!)

I'm not sure anyone has displayed any hostility but . . . a popup has its uses. Sure, it's not going to compete with a hotshoe flash but it's always there, it makes a useful fill flash, and it's great for when you need to take that 430EX off the camera because lets be honest that's the last place a flash belongs anyway.

 

[koffiejunkie]

As far as the pop-up flash is concerned I honestly don't understand the hostility towards the lack thereof either, if you can drop 25k on a camera that basically guarantees you the best IQ possible why ruin everything with a popup flash?

What specifically is "everything"?

Why do you think it will ruin "everything"?

Yes, it's convenient but it mostly gives terrible results

In the hands of someone who don't know how to use it, yes. If you put the camera in greenbox mode or one of the idiot modes, then yes, it will look like you used a P&S. But you can operate the popup flash manually.

don't be a cheapskate and just add a 430EX and get it done with! (you can get the 580EX later since that is also a must have!)

I have a Canon 580 EX II, a Sigma EF 530 DG Super, a Canon 270EX and an older Vivitar. I still use the pop-up flash from time to time.

 

[Dolby]

In the hands of someone who don't know how to use it, yes. If you put the camera in greenbox mode or one of the idiot modes, then yes, it will look like you used a P&S. But you can operate the popup flash manually

+1

I don't any compact or P&S and if we go somewhere informal, I need to take the 7D. Not that's it's large or cumbersome, but it's great to simply put the 18-55 little kit lens and go to a braai ... without extra flash, tripod, extra card, remote, larger lens etc

My aunt misses her popup on the 5DMKII coming from a 350 or something.

 

[koffiejunkie]

I don't any compact or P&S and if we go somewhere informal, I need to take the 7D. Not that's it's large or cumbersome, but it's great to simply put the 18-55 little kit lens and go to a braai ... without extra flash, tripod, extra card, remote, larger lens etc

He he. Pulling your dance moves at the company xmas party is a lot more difficult with a 7D+580EX hanging off you. I take the DSLR and one lens (these days the Siggy 30mm f/1.4) and use the pop-up for fill. My pics usually compare well with the ones from the official photographer.

 

[Deezil]

Do you have information I don't? I don't put a lot of credence in rumour sites.

Off course not ... was just a general observation aimed at a post made hours earlier than mine (and hence the "I must update more regularly" comment) Since both cameras are aimed at two completely opposite ends of the spectrum and if you drill down to one specific feature for one specific task one of them is bound to be better than the other (new or old model) ... whether it's image quality or high iso noise capability or fast object tracking or frame rate etc. etc. etc.

I'm not sure anyone has displayed any hostility but . . . a popup has its uses. Sure, it's not going to compete with a hotshoe flash but it's always there, it makes a useful fill flash, and it's great for when you need to take that 430EX off the camera because lets be honest that's the last place a flash belongs anyway.

What specifically is "everything"? Why do you think it will ruin "everything"?

In the hands of someone who don't know how to use it, yes. If you put the camera in greenbox mode or one of the idiot modes, then yes, it will look like you used a P&S. But you can operate the popup flash manually.

I have a Canon 580 EX II, a Sigma EF 530 DG Super, a Canon 270EX and an older Vivitar. I still use the pop-up flash from time to time.

OK, OK ... I concede!

Pop-up has it's uses but for avg joe (who probably shouldn't buy a 5D in the first place but sh.it if you have the money why not?) it has it's limitations and yes it won't ruin "everything" but unless you understand the concept of dragging the shutter or using some sort of better-bouncer device it's very difficult to get rid of that "deer caught in the headlights" look in post-processing. Anyway, I think we're arguing a mute point since we'll probably never see a pop-up flash in a 1D/5D body ... yes it will be nice but that monster penta-prism design probably prevents any pop-up design from ever being implemented.


Talking about camera handling ... my 430 basically lives on top of my camera (even if it's the last place it should be ) and combined with the plastic 50mm I don't have any issues using it the whole night long. On the other hand I'm usually not the life of the party nor do I hang my camera around my neck!

 

[koffiejunkie]

Anyway, I think we're arguing a mute point since we'll probably never see a pop-up flash in a 1D/5D body ... yes it will be nice but that monster penta-prism design probably prevents any pop-up design from ever being implemented.

Nikon D700 has a pop-up flash. So it can be done. I doubt Canon would ever do it, but who knows. They might surprise us.

 

[Dolby]

I'm in the car so can't Google - doesn't the 7D have a better viewfinder (or larger percentage?) Than a 5D anyhow?

 

[Dolby]

Oh - I'm wrong ... 5D has the larger viewfinder http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos7D_vs_50D_vs_5DII.html

So the 7D viewfinder is about 10% larger than that of the 50D, but about 12% smaller than the 5D MkII

 

[koffiejunkie]

I'm in the car so can't Google - doesn't the 7D have a better viewfinder (or larger percentage?) Than a 5D anyhow?

Slightly better coverage - 100% vs 98% - but smaller because it's a crop body.

 

[fxit_man]

looks like this became a 5D vs 7D thread

 

[Dolby]

I think its more of 'don't sell your 7D yet'

 

[EchoZA]

Don't sell the 7D (give it away to a worthy person maybe) but don't sell it

 

[koffiejunkie]

looks like this became a 5D vs 7D thread

It's more a "5D *not* vs 7D"

 

[fxit_man]

I think its more of 'don't sell your 7D yet'

Don't sell the 7D (give it away to a worthy person maybe) but don't sell it

It's more a "5D *not* vs 7D"

Haha 7D isn't going anywhere just yet. Maybe it will be wiser to sell closer to the release of the Mk3 Then sell both to get it? Haha anyways will enjoy these two beauties for now!

Thanks for all the info regarding the 5D MkII vs 7D Very interesting

 

[Deezil]

Haha 7D isn't going anywhere just yet. Maybe it will be wiser to sell closer to the release of the Mk3 Then sell both to get it?

No man. You're missing the point of the argument

Nobody knows for sure what the mk3 will be capable of but 5D / 7D lines are not competing models but rather complementary. Unless Canon really goes balls to the walls on the 5Dmk3 it will most probably not be a good idea to replace your 2 current bodies with a single newer one of a similar line. Replacing both with a 1D X on the the other hand ???

Anyway, stop pondering about what to replace a stonking new camera with in the distant future and get out there and learn how to use what you have now!!!

 

[fxit_man]

Haha got it I guess we wait and see then. No harm in pondering! But more pics, less talk I say

People need to share more pics! I'll post a few more shots I took in a bit over on the stop what you're doing ... Thread


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