False. Even some basic research would expose you to the different arguments by various Muslim groups who defend a particular age, ranging from 9 to 19, as well as an evaluation of the primary sources. Unfortunately, no available source on this matter is regarded as mutawatir (unquestionable) in the veracity of its specifics, and so differences exist. Western scholars have these same sources to rely upon.
The intention of this thread is not to go into depths with the technicalities of any of the Islamic sciences (such as the complexities involved in ulum-ul-Hadith, of which I consider myself merely a beginner student), but to serve as an introduction to Islam according to the mainstream.
What is your point?
I was very clear on my point. Please reread my post. Your apologetic excuse does not carry weight.
Forgive me for not understanding what you mean by that. Perhaps I was not clear. What I meant was that my main sources of information for what I stated earlier was Haddad and Haylamaz respectively (and Bukhari hadith ahad), and the reason why Wikipedia says things similar what they said could be because they are both referencing C. Turner for that point. But I do not think that this matter is pivotal to the discussion.
Your opinion and your fringe beliefs do not carry the weight of most muslim and western scholars. Put simply. I dont believe you. I believe most scholars on this. IE. people who know more than you and me. Also, you have not proven that they all source Turner. That is made up BS you are putting out there.
Sure, I understand why you would try hide the truth here... but like any apologetic. You have to jump through hoops and rewrite history to try make it like you have a valid point.
These people... say you are lying:
- Ahmed, Leila. Women and gender in Islam: historical roots of a modern debate.London: Yale UP, 1992. 9780300055832. 47-75
-Watt, "Aisha", Encyclopedia of Islam Online
- A. Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994, p. 40
-Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.
-Barlas (2002), p. 125-126
- Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim, 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915, Sunnan Abu Dawud, 41:4917
- Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
Now show me the evidence they all copied Tuner please.
The latest any respected scholar has put her age is 10.
I understand your intentions in this thread. Now understand mind. I dont do BS. If you are going to say stuff that can be shown to be false. Someone will mention it. Im sure you would like to rewrite history so all of Islam was this big kumbaya hippy gathering where everyone got along, but that artificial bubble that you create does not represent reality. It only represents your constructed reality.