iPhone OS 4 comes on 8 April, brings video calls to the iPhone

[Rouxenator]

I have a 5800 that I picked after spending some time with a N97. Don't get me wrong, the N97 is awesome, but I'm holding on for the X6 and finally the N8 (aka N98) that Nokia will reveal tomorrow.

Ofcourse I want Symbian instead of those. It is more advance and lightweight in every way. Android is good and solid competition at least, but the iPhone is a fashionphone and I already played with a Samsung Corby.

 

[Synaesthesia]

N97 Promotional video compared to real life.
I'm sorry but that's a piece of crap compared to the iPhone ... can't even scroll smoothly.

 

[Rouxenator]

It scrolls perfectly, but if scrolling is your primary benchmark for a phone then you need to stick with a Cookie or iPhone or Corby or what ever is the fashionable one these days.
Let us smartphone users have the multitasking media power houses that can actually bluetooth and act as mass storage device. Oh, did I forgot to mention, they do not have to be jail broken or apply for parole.

 

[Vegeta]

Roux as a nokia 5800 user myself i have to say if the iphone was more "open" like the 5800. Do what you want, multitask, install what you want, use as mass storage etc etc it would be light years ahead. Its closed nature is the only thing holding it back from domination.

Symbian on the 5800 is a lazy attempt seriously, its good and all but its just no iphone OS or Andriod. It was adapted for touch which is kark. The other two were designed from the ground up with touch in mind. Navigating the menus on the 5800 is less fluent and feels pasted together. iphone and andriod flows smoothly.

But bang for buck, the 5800 is a midrange phone that has way more functions than the iphone which is expensive.
So you get better features with a crapper menu... i can live with that, rather that than pretty menus on a brick of a closed useless phone.

 

[murraybiscuit]

hmm. symbian doesn't do threaded messaging. but maemo does. it's nice. very nice.

 

[Rouxenator]

Uhm, actually the first time Symbian was used in a phone it was touch based and while the 5800 did start out pretty nasty it is almost perfect in the current release of V40. If you look at the hardware requirements and the OS footprint it is miles ahead of the rest. iPhone OS 4 is playing catch up and judging the features that is "new" in V4 is seems be be somewhere between 2002 and 2004 compared to what Symbian can do.

Ofcourse Symbian is not the be all and end all for everyone and some people just don't need all the feature it offers - look at low end touch offerings like the Samsung Star - it is selling like hot cakes. Nokia is trying to lure buyers in that segment with 5800 stipdowns like the 5230 but tastes differ.

So enjoy iPhone OS 4 if you are a fan.

 

[Synaesthesia]

iPhone has a much better screen than the 5800, much better keyboard, smoother interface, better web browsing, better games and Apps. I mean have you used an iPhone? How is iPhone OS only catching up now?

 

[Vegeta]

Dont get me wrong symbian has EVERYTHING copy/cut/paste multiple selections, file browser... everything. What it needs is smooth menu transitions, capacitive touch

V40 on the 5800 is much better have to agree... but did you notice most of the improvements are scrolling, transitions, smoothing out of things. Its been an issue from the start and i believe symbian is the problem they need to start over

 

[Rouxenator]

The iphone has a lower resolution screen and uses a captive touchscreen that sadly does not allow for hand writing recognition that easily. The keyboard on the 5800 is excellent in both full screen and mini mode, Opera Mobile (and mini) are supurb on the 5800, the pirated games from Gameloft keeps me busy for hours on my 5800. You don't have to use something to know it is inferior to something else. The iPhone OS still does not have true multitasking, it requires a jail break to make it half as customizable as other phone OSes and it is only getting video calling now.

 

[Rouxenator]

Eye candy is fine on Symbian - even non touch versions like the N79 does smooth transitions (which I turn off anyway). The X6 (which I am getting next) unfortunately does have captive touch.

 

[Synaesthesia]

The iPhone has a much more powerful processor, much more powerful OS. If you've used it you'll see how superior it is.

 

[Vegeta]

Eye candy is fine on Symbian - even non touch versions like the N79 does smooth transitions (which I turn off anyway). The X6 (which I am getting next) unfortunately does have captive touch...

You don't have to use something to know it is inferior to something else.

Capacitive touch is the only way! We all want to use our fingers not random sharp objects. Yes the 5800 has higher resolution. And to your previous statement "You don't have to use something to know it is inferior to something else." I'm sorry but you are wrong in this case. I have both, the nokia beats it on functions and customization of settings and options. The iphone does entertainment 1 million times better, games are much more advanced(hardware gfx card and multi touch)! Try fifa 2010 or Dungeon Hunter(rpg), music(the music functions aren't an afterthought like on the 5800)

So for work the 5800 will kick its behind but on the entertainment front the iphone is miles ahead. If apple gets the balance/price/openness right.... wait they wont EVER... BUT ANDROID WILL!

 

[Rouxenator]

Now that is something I will agree with you on. Android is a much more serious competitor and I like what I am seeing so far from them.
I use hand writing a lot so that is why the 5800 with its stylus in the back is a very nice phone for me. Captive is a bit more tricky for that.

 

[assagai]

I do love the iphone, it has some really awesome apps that i've not seen matched on any other handheld, especially games and remote desktop type apps... but i just can't break my blackberry messenger habit, so the iphone ends up being just an ipod touch.
Yes, the fruits rule.

 

[Vegeta]

You write smses in Chinese or another symbol language?:wtf: Why on earth would you have to take out a pen and write the letter "E" when typing it takes a split sec?

 

[d0b33]

iPhone has a much better screen than the 5800, much better keyboard, smoother interface, better web browsing, better games and Apps. I mean have you used an iPhone? How is iPhone OS only catching up now?

He used one once, then he wrote a long love letter about him being impressed... but went back to bashing it while living in denial... it's one of his older posts here somewhere.

 

[Rouxenator]

Actually I said it was impressive to see what they have done and it sets high standards for what a touch UI should be like. I also said I hope Nokia pays it some attention in their then upcoming 5800.

Since then Nokia made the 5800 and N97 (today the N98 will be announced) not only did they make a good touch UI (perhaps not as fluid as iPhone) but they delivered a smartphone that is as capable as people have come to expect from Symbian. It is way beyond most other smartphones with only Android and Maemo being real competiton for it.

See, the big issue with the iPhone is not its pretty UI - who would not want that - it is the fact that it is a very restrictive device with limited capabilities. That is something that holds true for all apple products and that is my issue with them. That and the fact that people allow eye candy and high price tags to fool them into thinking it is the best thing since blended iSmoke.

 

[SlinkyMike]

See, the big issue with the iPhone is not its pretty UI - who would not want that - it is the fact that it is a very restrictive device with limited capabilities. That is something that holds true for all apple products and that is my issue with them. That and the fact that people allow eye candy and high price tags to fool them into thinking it is the best thing since blended iSmoke.

Although this is true - I'd like to see you provide an example of some way that Apple has limited capability in the iPhone that pertains to a need that you personally have.

 

[Keeper]

It's sad just how badly Roux wants an iPhone...

I hate apple - I don't like how they limit stuff / etc as you say - it sucks i know.... but man, It is still the best Phone out there and still will be for at least another 2 years.
(but I don't think anyone can play catchup soon, with apple at 180,000 apps already, they are just too far ahead!)

still - I haven't jailbroken even - don't see a massive reason why to.. (Yet)

I don't understand what it can't do roux? I can play music movies games and have access to thousands of apps? i too have copy/paste and multitouch is coming soon too (not that i even need it really)
the interface works better, looks better, is super smooth - the screen is huge, it has accelerometers, wifi, 3G and even a compass now. the touch screen is way more responsive than other phones.
and it doesn't require a little nib pen thing

what can't the iphone do this time roux? please inform us.

 

[SlinkyMike]

still - I haven't jailbroken even - don't see a massive reason why to.. (Yet)

DO IT!!!

Even if its just for themes and sbsettings... you are using one third of the iPhones potential - jailbreak opens up the rest.